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one realizes very quickly we've been

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40 feet long no windows no no real wings

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or control surfaces no obvious signs of

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propulsion and yet this object is

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witnessed Now by four separate

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welcome back everybody to another live

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interview here on the disclosure team

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Channel

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I'm really excited for this one I've

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been speaking to Christian now for for a

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few months behind the scenes

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um discussing you know what his

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experience his anomalous sightings and

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things like that and he's finally

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decided to come forward and talk about

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it which is uh really good in this

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current climate you know you've had a

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lot of Pilots come forward recently uh

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so I'm just glad that we're seeing more

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and more and I hope that videos and

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interviews like this only prompt more

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people to to come forward

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um it's a safe place and and we really

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highly respect what they uh what they

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have to discuss so yeah to everyone in

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the live chat thank you so much for

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being here I really appreciate it if you

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do have any questions throughout the

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interview please pop them in capital

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letters it just helps me see them more

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clearly we're going to be going through

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quite a few different cases and

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sightings that Christians had so you

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might have questions pertaining to that

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particular case I will do my best to see

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them and ask them as we're discussing

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that individual case my apologies in

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advance if I don't but um I've got lots

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to do so uh yeah keep the chat nice and

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calm and collected and and positive and

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you know you always do so I I don't

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really need to say it these days well

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let's waste any more uh not let's not

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waste any more time uh my guest today is

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Christian van Heist he is a 747 cargo

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pilot with quite an extensive flying

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career which we're going to go through

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as well uh so yeah here he is please

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welcome Christian van heis Christian how

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are you doing good good how are you

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Vinnie I'm really good we're here

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finally yeah thanks for inviting me it's

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such an honor and it's uh it's really

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nice to finally present a couple of

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cases I've been wondering about

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pondering about for the last couple of

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years so uh really really excited yeah

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thank you so much it's the honors all

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mine the pleasure's all mine this is

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going to be a fantastic conversation you

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know like I said the uh we've been

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speaking now for quite a few months um

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and I understand that it's a sensitive

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topic for sort of commercial and private

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and civilian Pilots to talk about but at

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the same time I'm you know through our

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discussions I think you you

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said to me you understand the importance

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of of coming forward so thank you so

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much for doing that

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well yeah you're more than welcome and

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um I must say for me as a commercial

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pilot there's not so much pressure

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good thing that I'm not a military pilot

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because I don't have to uh adhere to any

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secrecy or any uh any commanders in that

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sense I'm a yeah I'm a commercial pilot

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it's open for me to share it with the

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world and yeah well as we go through all

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hour or so we will see that I think

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there's also a lot of possible

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explanations for some of the things that

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I've seen so I can talk openly about

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everything and anything and uh let's

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let's try and get to the bottom of it

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there's a couple of them absolutely

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fantastic I can't wait but I think

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initially I'd love to know a bit more

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about yourself uh you know about your

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career and and

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you know starting from a young age what

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the love of Aviation and flying if you

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can start wherever you like

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well basically the love for flying

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started when I was really young when I

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first flight as a passenger and it's one

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of the first memories I had it's just

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looking out of the window and enjoying

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all the views and it was it still is

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mesmerizing to see the clouds and to see

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the world from such a literally unique

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perspective from above the world and

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this triggered me I think subconsciously

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to um to to be interested in in flying

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in aviation and as soon as I could I

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pursued a career in aviation first I

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studied for about two years Aeronautical

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Engineering but I decided that instead

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of the drawing board I wanted to fly the

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airplanes myself

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license when I was 17 so it was really

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motivated to uh to be in the air and to

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um and I've been really lucky so far

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when I was 20 I managed to get my first

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job as a pilot in aviation uh pretty

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young I still had a lot of hair but uh

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that's what Aviation does to you I guess

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uh no but without kidding I had a

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company that is was basically uh leasing

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out their airplanes including Crews to

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other airlines it was on a small

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um which is a relatively small only only

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50 seats a short range operation for

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that company I flew for a lot of

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European airlines we flew a lot of

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passengers for new names all the big

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European airlines but I also flew

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contracts in Africa for a lot of African

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companies which was really adventurous

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military contracts in Afghanistan where

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basically hired by the the military

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and equipment around and that was really

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something really adventurous it was it

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was it was just just great really really

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bigger than just a turboprop and

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charter company Dutch uh Dutch Airline

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and for four and a half five years I

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which was uh really interesting

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experience as well really good for my

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flying career because for as a pilot you

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job my ambition was still to see the

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world and to uh to fly around the world

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in a bit bigger airplane So eventually I

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was hired when I was 27 on the Boeing

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as of the cargo pilots and this was

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already I think 12 almost 13 years ago

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and since then I've been flying all over

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the world in the Boeing 747 and it's

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just the best job ever it's really cool

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the 747 now 39 years old so I've been

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really lucky in that sense to uh to to

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have a steep career in aviation still

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fly small airplane Cessnas Etc just

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across the Netherlands sometimes with

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friends and family so I'm I'm an

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aviation nerd

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besides that I'm interested in Aerospace

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I'm really interested in the Apollo

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missions which is uh which is a topic

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that is triggering my imagination

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um interested in history just um just

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basically everything that has to do with

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with ancient history to modern history

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in the first world war second world war

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um yeah that's uh that's basically me

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um and also a major part of my life is

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photography and this is pretty much

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parallel with uh with the flying career

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and it started almost literally from the

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first flight I told you about when I saw

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these views as a young boy from the from

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the cabin windows I just I just felt the

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need to immortalize it to capture it and

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ever since my first flights during

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Flight Training I always had a small

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camera with me not taking too many

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pictures but whenever there was a chance

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to to take pictures of some mountains or

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clouds whatever and especially when I

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flew in Africa and Afghanistan on the

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book of 50.

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um I realized that the stuff that I was

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seeing the adventures I was experiencing

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uh were really really unique and I just

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had to document it not just the views

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which were already kind of uh

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interesting but just the adventures all

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this stuff we did there and experience

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it had to be captured and if I wouldn't

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do it then nobody else would do it so I

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invested a little bit for as far as I

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could in the smaller camera and this was

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basically as I said parallel with my

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flying career every time I upgraded an

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airplane I was able to upgrade my

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photography equipment as well so um

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um flying the 747 that means we fly

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really long distances generally uh with

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the low workloads during Cruise flights

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mostly from the cockpit so I'm kind of

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specialized in aerial photography and

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it's a big passion together with flying

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that that's that's uh for me personally

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it's just a great combination and I'm

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I'm really enjoying that so for me the

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flying is really a lot of fun and I do

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it with a lot of passion and I do it as

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a professional and on top of that

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capturing the beauty capturing the The

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Unbelievable Landscapes from above and

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literally sharing that with the world

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through social media on my website Etc

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it's just two two things that that blend

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together perfectly and yeah so in a

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nutshell that's uh that's me

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um yeah maybe some viewers might have

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some questions about the flying

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experience I've got almost nine and a

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half thousand hours of flight experience

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right now of which just over six

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thousand on the 747 which doesn't mean

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uh too much but it just shows that I'm

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not just the first guy to take a flying

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lesson and uh and Proclaim to see uh

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funny stuff from the air I'm uh I know

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what I'm I know what I'm doing I think

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and um yeah so in a nutshell that's uh

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that's me that's amazing thank you so

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much it's such a romantic career flying

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around the world it's yeah I really Envy

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you in some ways so yeah thank you for

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listening if you go to the description

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below you'll find all of Christian's

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social media links and his website I

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highly recommend you go and check it out

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there's some absolutely amazing

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photography and stuff put on there so

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please go and check that out right so

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let's move on to the topic of UFOs I'd

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just like to know you mentioned there

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you you know you have a

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a passion for sort of history and things

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like that when did the UFO subject first

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kind of enter your life and and to what

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level

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um well of course I heard about the the

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lore about UFOs and uh and uh

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um the flying saucerer myths when I was

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very young because it's it's part of our

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culture but I never really took it

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serious if I'm really honest it was too

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much of a of a fringe topic and the big

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problem is that there was only a lot of

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anecdotal evidence

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um

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I just I just couldn't take it too

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serious because um I consider myself an

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open-minded skeptic in the sense that

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I'm open-minded to a lot of topics I'm

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open-minded to uh philosophies

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Etc but I'm kind of skeptic and if I

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don't see it with my own eyes

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um there's there's I I don't know I

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cannot really be interested in those

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kind of topics

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um

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with the commander David fraver uh for

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the viewers who don't know who he is

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he's a x topkin Navy Pilots also have 18

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pilots and he's a very trustworthy guy

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and he did a couple of interviews

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including with Joe Rogan and also for

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the New York Times I think I saw his

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interviews and this guy is the real deal

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he's super steady

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um and he came forward with his

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observations about some objects he saw

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and I think this was in 2017 when I when

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I first saw his interview and the first

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thing that came to mind was hey I think

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I've seen some of these things as well

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and I always thought they were military

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but now one of these top military Pilots

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absolutely credible is is is basically

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coming forward and saying that he has no

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clue what they were

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um that initially opened up my my eyes

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to the uh to the topic in the sense that

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I I was still hesitant but I decided to

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read into it a little bit more I read

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all the Articles uh from Leslie Keen I

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think it was in the New York Times and

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um

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saw some other interviews with Commander

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David Traver and I think in 2018 I saw

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the first interviews with Louis Elizondo

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they had the former head of atip

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um and um

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I was absolutely blown away because

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basically this was confirming

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the story from Leslie Keen it was a

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confirming the story of Commander David

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Shriver and his fellow pilots and

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basically what's the conclusion that I

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drew is that there was something really

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interesting going on here and uh some of

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the stuff I've seen in the past might

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actually not be that easily

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dismissible as something military or

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some kind of a rocket stuff and actually

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um yeah since 2018 I decided to read

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more and more about the topic

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and to basically

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um try to identify the stuff that I've

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seen in the past because I've seen quite

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a lot of things from the air which 99 is

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is easily explainable or maybe even

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later explainable we have one case we

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will cover it later on that took me

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almost maybe eight years to to to to

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find out what it was but eventually I

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did find it out so I was hoping by

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reading more about the topic to

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basically come to an easy conclusion and

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to either dismiss it as a hoax or find

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some answers to the stuff I've seen and

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it's been a rabbit hole because since

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since then basically I've I've I found

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out that this is a major topic for not

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just the U.S defense

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Department of Defense and a lot of Navy

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Pilots but for many more countries I

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believe it's Brazil Japan in China even

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they're emitting their uh they're

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dealing with this phenomena in France uh

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there's it there's even the I think it's

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that I don't know task force I think

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it's a part of CNS part of the the

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French space force that are taking this

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subject very serious leaving the Spanish

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Army is taking very serious and for me

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it's only confirming that what I've seen

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is is maybe more than just uh a military

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Black Project a rocket tour whatever it

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is so yeah long story short I became

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interested since um since the interviews

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with Commando David Draper and Louis

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Elizondo and uh yeah now we're here and

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I can only hope that more pilots will

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come forward let's say more credible

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observers will come forward with their

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sightings because I know for a fact that

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quite a lot of Pilots have seen things

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many of many many Pilots still think

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it's something military it's something

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mundane and other part it's just simply

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literally don't want to know they see

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something and they say I don't want to

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know

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um so if this can be the the first step

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towards more openness about the topic

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among Pilots civil Pilots credible

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observers are the better yeah I hope so

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too

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um I've got a great question here from a

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friend your name but before we do that

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you mentioned luellizondo there and

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before we jumped on the live I mentioned

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that I'd spoken to Lou earlier in the

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week about it and that he'd you know he

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was really impressed uh that you were

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coming forward but one thing I didn't

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tell you is I've actually got something

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I've got a little message here for you

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as well

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so yeah I'm gonna play this

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hi Christian it's Lou Elizondo I just

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want to take a brief moment here and

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thank you sincerely for everything that

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you're doing and coming forward and

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having this conversation we all hear

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about the military Pilots regarding the

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UAP but it's not very often that we get

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the strength and courage from a private

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pilot uh to to have this conversation so

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I want to thank you very much for for

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your courage coming forward and

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hopefully one of these days I can make

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it up to you and buy you a beer or a cup

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of coffee thank you Christian bye

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wow wow that made my day that made my

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day wow that's amazing fantastic Yeah

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well yeah wow it's it's that's that's

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unexpected and that's that's really cool

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I'm sorry I just brag it on you

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that was kind of surprising but

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um I really hope that it's uh it doesn't

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feel like um

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uh how do you say this like uh a huge

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step for commercial Partners to come

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forward and uh we've seen the last

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couple of months

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um

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pilots in the US over the Pacific the

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game became pulled with their sightings

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as well so I really think that uh also

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also thanks to to Mr Alexander's uh

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interviews and efforts

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um the topic is becoming

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um less French and more more open and uh

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wow with this well I didn't I didn't see

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that one coming that is really cool that

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is really cool but I'm looking forward

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to the day I can shake his hand and

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thank him also for not just this

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um this this topic but everything else

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he's done because I realize he's uh he's

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more than just the UAP topic I'm glad

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you enjoyed that it's the very least

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that I could do and Lou was Lou was Lou

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was the one that suggested it before I

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even had the chance so uh there you go

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I'll send that to you as well so you've

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got your own little uh copy of that

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um let's jump into this question excuse

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me I've got a mint in my mouth uh from

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your name so as a fellow duchy having my

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own sightings I know how hard it is to

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talk to other duchies about this how was

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this for you to talk about with fellow

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Pilots friends Etc and were you actually

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able to

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huh interesting question

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um I'm not sure if if this uh this

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person is also a pilot normally I don't

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discuss these topics with uh with just

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anyone because honestly my life is much

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more than Europe actually this this this

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this topic is just not something I even

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even think about discussing other people

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um but the topic sometimes comes up with

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uh with other colleagues um you have to

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imagine you're flying a 747 from New

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York to to uh to Europe and you're

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spending six seven hours over the

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Atlantic are you staring at the stars

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and you're staring at the Moonlight with

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nothing else to do but to talk

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um then yeah naturally the topic comes

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up every now and then

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um

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and the interesting thing is that

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um let's say a quarter of the pilots one

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third of the pilots they have actually

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seen something and they're very

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reluctant to talk about it

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um a one-third of the pilots is just

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simply not interested not even

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dismissing the subject but simply not

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interested in it and uh some of the

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people they they're simply not not

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willing to talk about it or not open to

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any kind of subject so

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um the moment is the the topic comes up

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especially with with other Pilots I'm

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able to talk about it and um it's it's

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very interesting because uh there will

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be a case we will discuss later on it

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was in the 2014 I think it was a case

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about the red light so the Pacific Ocean

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that I've seen and this this went viral

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it was just within 24 hours it was on

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all the major newspapers and initially I

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was really afraid that some of my

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colleagues would take

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um we would radicalize me because even

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though

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um

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I never thought that the uh the lights

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we saw was anything related to aliens or

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the Paranormal or you You Name It We

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actually thought there was a volcano

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just exploding below us

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um but the media just just made it up as

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a under underwater UFO base that I took

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pictures off uh and when I saw those

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headlines I thought ah now I'm going to

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be the the laughing stock of the company

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you know

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um but this was far from the case I

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never received any ridiculous in

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comments and actually a lot of a lot of

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my colleagues uh veteran Pilots

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sometimes even ex-military Pilots they

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came forward with their own theories

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with their own experiences

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um which was really revealing to me that

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this topic is uh maybe Taboo in in

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society but

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really interesting for a lot of uh uh

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pilots and a lot a lot of people are

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interested in it so yeah talking about

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it I would only talk about if the

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subject comes up and if people are open

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for it and if not then just just don't

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even don't even bother because I think

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if you if you force the subject on

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people who are not into it or open to it

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especially people who have not read

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themselves into the subject of have not

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done their homework

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um it's still kind of a fringe topic and

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we have to progress very slowly towards

548
00:21:05,390 --> 00:21:01,799
the point that the subject becomes more

549
00:21:07,549 --> 00:21:05,400
mainstream uh more approachable and

550
00:21:09,110 --> 00:21:07,559
um once we we've reached that point we

551
00:21:12,010 --> 00:21:09,120
can finally

552
00:21:16,549 --> 00:21:14,210
talk about it with other people who are

553
00:21:18,470 --> 00:21:16,559
not not yet read into it so

554
00:21:20,510 --> 00:21:18,480
um I will just stick to the people who

555
00:21:22,970 --> 00:21:20,520
have the same experiences for now and

556
00:21:25,130 --> 00:21:22,980
and let the let the the conversation

557
00:21:27,350 --> 00:21:25,140
flow and let the topic grow naturally

558
00:21:28,970 --> 00:21:27,360
yeah completely agree everyone has to

559
00:21:31,250 --> 00:21:28,980
come at this at their own pace so yeah

560
00:21:32,990 --> 00:21:31,260
fantastic now let's jump into some of

561
00:21:34,430 --> 00:21:33,000
these cases so what we're going to do

562
00:21:37,190 --> 00:21:34,440
for everyone watching and listening

563
00:21:39,890 --> 00:21:37,200
we're going to discuss uh these cases in

564
00:21:40,730 --> 00:21:39,900
chronological order so starting with the

565
00:21:41,990 --> 00:21:40,740
oldest

566
00:21:43,430 --> 00:21:42,000
um except for one case we're going to

567
00:21:45,950 --> 00:21:43,440
leave to the end because that's kind of

568
00:21:48,470 --> 00:21:45,960
the the most intriguing uh so it's going

569
00:21:50,390 --> 00:21:48,480
to be a mixture of anomalous cases uh

570
00:21:52,310 --> 00:21:50,400
well they all started out anomalous but

571
00:21:53,990 --> 00:21:52,320
some that you've actually done your due

572
00:21:55,490 --> 00:21:54,000
diligence and you've figured out what

573
00:21:58,070 --> 00:21:55,500
they are and you've come up with some

574
00:21:59,510 --> 00:21:58,080
prosaic explanations which I think is a

575
00:22:01,070 --> 00:21:59,520
really good sign it shows that you care

576
00:22:03,409 --> 00:22:01,080
about what you're seeing and that you're

577
00:22:06,950 --> 00:22:03,419
not just going to jump to conclusions or

578
00:22:09,529 --> 00:22:06,960
you know wild claims that it's a genuine

579
00:22:11,930 --> 00:22:09,539
UFO so I think that's what we're going

580
00:22:14,990 --> 00:22:11,940
to see from some of these cases but to

581
00:22:18,590 --> 00:22:15,000
start us off sorry yeah sorry if I can

582
00:22:19,970 --> 00:22:18,600
quickly make a small audition uh these

583
00:22:21,649 --> 00:22:19,980
are just the let's say the most

584
00:22:24,409 --> 00:22:21,659
interesting cases that I've seen and

585
00:22:26,870 --> 00:22:24,419
most inexplicable sightings I did not

586
00:22:28,850 --> 00:22:26,880
include a lot of of really strange

587
00:22:31,490 --> 00:22:28,860
things tiny tiny little things that I've

588
00:22:33,830 --> 00:22:31,500
seen that could be a very mundane and

589
00:22:36,049 --> 00:22:33,840
proseric because a couple of times I've

590
00:22:38,210 --> 00:22:36,059
seen some Stars just disappearing and

591
00:22:40,370 --> 00:22:38,220
all of a sudden when I'm gazing out at

592
00:22:42,529 --> 00:22:40,380
the star field and I'm I'm just enjoying

593
00:22:44,270 --> 00:22:42,539
the the view of the Milky Way it

594
00:22:46,190 --> 00:22:44,280
happened maybe two or three times that

595
00:22:48,230 --> 00:22:46,200
all of a sudden one of the Stars while

596
00:22:50,990 --> 00:22:48,240
she is disappearing

597
00:22:52,370 --> 00:22:51,000
absolutely no explanation for it but I'm

598
00:22:56,450 --> 00:22:52,380
pretty sure it's it's maybe an

599
00:22:59,210 --> 00:22:56,460
atmospheric uh anomaly or or or maybe it

600
00:23:01,130 --> 00:22:59,220
was even a satellite that was just uh uh

601
00:23:02,690 --> 00:23:01,140
tumbling and and stopped reflecting

602
00:23:04,190 --> 00:23:02,700
sunlight

603
00:23:06,049 --> 00:23:04,200
um so

604
00:23:07,490 --> 00:23:06,059
um there are maybe some things uh I've

605
00:23:09,770 --> 00:23:07,500
missed that are really interesting maybe

606
00:23:12,950 --> 00:23:09,780
maybe the only actual genuine thing that

607
00:23:14,330 --> 00:23:12,960
I that I missed and discarded as Pros

608
00:23:16,250 --> 00:23:14,340
Eric

609
00:23:18,649 --> 00:23:16,260
um but the the stuff that we are going

610
00:23:20,750 --> 00:23:18,659
to to go through now

611
00:23:23,210 --> 00:23:20,760
um I did my best to write down old

612
00:23:25,370 --> 00:23:23,220
details uh as they as they came along I

613
00:23:28,149 --> 00:23:25,380
wrote them down in my logbook and as I

614
00:23:31,610 --> 00:23:28,159
said before you know only back in 2018

615
00:23:34,310 --> 00:23:31,620
2019 I started catalog catalyzing

616
00:23:35,870 --> 00:23:34,320
organizing and then for myself and and

617
00:23:36,529 --> 00:23:35,880
basically

618
00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:36,539
um

619
00:23:40,970 --> 00:23:38,880
trying to find out what they what they

620
00:23:42,649 --> 00:23:40,980
were so all the notes all the locations

621
00:23:44,870 --> 00:23:42,659
all the all the data it was written down

622
00:23:47,149 --> 00:23:44,880
in my logbook because I just wanted to

623
00:23:49,789 --> 00:23:47,159
know what it was and anyway yeah let's

624
00:23:51,470 --> 00:23:49,799
let's start we have a lot of ground yeah

625
00:23:53,510 --> 00:23:51,480
so let's jump in with the first one the

626
00:23:55,190 --> 00:23:53,520
falling like we're number one so if you

627
00:23:57,289 --> 00:23:55,200
can just yeah tell us I guess the

628
00:23:58,549 --> 00:23:57,299
location and dates if you've got all of

629
00:24:00,649 --> 00:23:58,559
that information and then go through

630
00:24:02,090 --> 00:24:00,659
like what you saw yeah and just

631
00:24:04,130 --> 00:24:02,100
sometimes I'm looking down because I had

632
00:24:06,830 --> 00:24:04,140
my notes here and uh all the notes are

633
00:24:08,810 --> 00:24:06,840
also in chronological order

634
00:24:12,529 --> 00:24:08,820
um yeah falling lights I think that

635
00:24:14,630 --> 00:24:12,539
pretty much covers the phenomena uh July

636
00:24:16,970 --> 00:24:14,640
2005 we were flying with the 50

637
00:24:19,010 --> 00:24:16,980
uh somewhere over to Southern Germany it

638
00:24:21,770 --> 00:24:19,020
was late evening

639
00:24:24,470 --> 00:24:21,780
I was already uh dark and we were flying

640
00:24:25,370 --> 00:24:24,480
in between two layers of clouds uh I was

641
00:24:27,830 --> 00:24:25,380
pretty

642
00:24:29,570 --> 00:24:27,840
um inexperienced still and I I didn't

643
00:24:31,430 --> 00:24:29,580
have a lot of uh experience with night

644
00:24:34,130 --> 00:24:31,440
flights we had all the cockpit lights

645
00:24:36,110 --> 00:24:34,140
dimmed and all of a sudden I was I was a

646
00:24:37,730 --> 00:24:36,120
co-pilot and I was looking towards my

647
00:24:39,230 --> 00:24:37,740
left I was talking with my captain so

648
00:24:40,970 --> 00:24:39,240
I'm basically looking towards the left

649
00:24:43,490 --> 00:24:40,980
side of the cockpit and through his

650
00:24:46,730 --> 00:24:43,500
windshield through his window uh I

651
00:24:50,029 --> 00:24:46,740
suddenly saw a very bright white lights

652
00:24:52,730 --> 00:24:50,039
just falling vertically down really fast

653
00:24:54,830 --> 00:24:52,740
and as it fell down it was it was going

654
00:24:56,570 --> 00:24:54,840
in a constant speed really fast as it

655
00:24:58,130 --> 00:24:56,580
fell down it basically dropped through

656
00:25:00,250 --> 00:24:58,140
the lower Cloud layer it was

657
00:25:03,230 --> 00:25:00,260
Illuminating the lower Cloud layer in

658
00:25:05,029 --> 00:25:03,240
for for maybe maybe one or two seconds

659
00:25:07,610 --> 00:25:05,039
and it dropped down below and the light

660
00:25:09,529 --> 00:25:07,620
disappeared and even my my captain it

661
00:25:11,750 --> 00:25:09,539
was more experienced he said no clue

662
00:25:13,490 --> 00:25:11,760
what it was and there were no

663
00:25:15,529 --> 00:25:13,500
thunderstorms around there was just only

664
00:25:19,029 --> 00:25:15,539
these these these really stable layers

665
00:25:22,190 --> 00:25:19,039
of of stratus clouds no electric

666
00:25:24,590 --> 00:25:22,200
magnetic anomalies or

667
00:25:27,649 --> 00:25:24,600
activity in the air so I have no clue

668
00:25:29,810 --> 00:25:27,659
what it was and yeah this was the first

669
00:25:31,390 --> 00:25:29,820
sighting needless to say I I wasn't able

670
00:25:35,029 --> 00:25:31,400
to take any pictures because it happens

671
00:25:36,710 --> 00:25:35,039
instantly and it's it was gone

672
00:25:39,350 --> 00:25:36,720
um but this actually closely resembles

673
00:25:41,450 --> 00:25:39,360
another incident or another light I saw

674
00:25:43,549 --> 00:25:41,460
maybe five years later which will cover

675
00:25:45,289 --> 00:25:43,559
later on and

676
00:25:46,730 --> 00:25:45,299
um this really triggered me into

677
00:25:49,310 --> 00:25:46,740
wondering what it actually was because

678
00:25:51,470 --> 00:25:49,320
I've I simply have no clue what it was I

679
00:25:53,330 --> 00:25:51,480
have uh and I'm still looking for

680
00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:53,340
answers so this was the first thing that

681
00:25:58,070 --> 00:25:55,440
that really

682
00:26:00,470 --> 00:25:58,080
um yeah surprised me from here yeah and

683
00:26:03,529 --> 00:26:00,480
in a case like that or in that case did

684
00:26:05,390 --> 00:26:03,539
you or your or the main Captain I

685
00:26:07,310 --> 00:26:05,400
suppose it was do they do you contact

686
00:26:08,930 --> 00:26:07,320
air traffic control and ask if there's

687
00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:08,940
other traffic or was it just like don't

688
00:26:13,250 --> 00:26:11,039
know what that was carry on yeah

689
00:26:16,190 --> 00:26:13,260
basically just uh I don't know what it

690
00:26:17,990 --> 00:26:16,200
is just just carry on uh nowadays

691
00:26:19,130 --> 00:26:18,000
um I I always ask them Air Traffic

692
00:26:21,890 --> 00:26:19,140
Control if there's some military

693
00:26:22,810 --> 00:26:21,900
activity if there's any other traffic

694
00:26:25,310 --> 00:26:22,820
um

695
00:26:27,289 --> 00:26:25,320
yeah actually this was the one of the

696
00:26:29,210 --> 00:26:27,299
few times that I never asked the air

697
00:26:30,769 --> 00:26:29,220
traffic control what it was almost all

698
00:26:33,110 --> 00:26:30,779
the other cases I was asking and

699
00:26:35,510 --> 00:26:33,120
actually the funny thing because it's uh

700
00:26:37,850 --> 00:26:35,520
it's it's kind of a small uh sighting

701
00:26:39,289 --> 00:26:37,860
it's maybe insignificant but it really

702
00:26:40,730 --> 00:26:39,299
triggered me into wondering what's

703
00:26:42,769 --> 00:26:40,740
sometimes happening in this in the sky

704
00:26:45,169 --> 00:26:42,779
and maybe uh even though it was

705
00:26:48,230 --> 00:26:45,179
absolutely insignificant uh it triggered

706
00:26:49,909 --> 00:26:48,240
my uh um my reflex nowadays to write

707
00:26:51,710 --> 00:26:49,919
down all the details what I see and

708
00:26:55,669 --> 00:26:51,720
where it was in the date where it was

709
00:26:57,169 --> 00:26:55,679
Etc and also to proactively just ask uh

710
00:27:00,289 --> 00:26:57,179
um Air Traffic Control if there's any

711
00:27:01,610 --> 00:27:00,299
any whatever military activity all the

712
00:27:03,289 --> 00:27:01,620
traffic around so

713
00:27:04,909 --> 00:27:03,299
it's the first one I know it's kind of

714
00:27:06,590 --> 00:27:04,919
underwhelming but uh oh yeah I

715
00:27:08,750 --> 00:27:06,600
personally think it is I think it's

716
00:27:11,210 --> 00:27:08,760
fantastic just a comment here that says

717
00:27:13,310 --> 00:27:11,220
was it over land or sea uh this was

718
00:27:15,289 --> 00:27:13,320
Southern Germany's Overland it was

719
00:27:17,510 --> 00:27:15,299
around the position of the city of

720
00:27:20,330 --> 00:27:17,520
Nuremberg which is which is very far

721
00:27:22,430 --> 00:27:20,340
from any lakes any mountains any any

722
00:27:24,350 --> 00:27:22,440
anything it was just absolutely nothing

723
00:27:26,450 --> 00:27:24,360
around and with this 50 we were

724
00:27:28,310 --> 00:27:26,460
flying relatively low uh far below

725
00:27:30,409 --> 00:27:28,320
regular air traffic so we just as I said

726
00:27:31,669 --> 00:27:30,419
flying in between two air layers and

727
00:27:33,769 --> 00:27:31,679
there was a light just falling

728
00:27:36,289 --> 00:27:33,779
vertically down just bizarre really

729
00:27:37,750 --> 00:27:36,299
strange absolutely that's really really

730
00:27:40,070 --> 00:27:37,760
intriguing

731
00:27:40,970 --> 00:27:40,080
uh let's move on to the next one shall

732
00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:40,980
we

733
00:27:46,970 --> 00:27:44,159
um yeah I'll let you say the name and

734
00:27:50,029 --> 00:27:46,980
the date and things like that yeah

735
00:27:53,090 --> 00:27:50,039
um this was September 2005.

736
00:27:55,850 --> 00:27:53,100
um it was either 28 29th or 30th it was

737
00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:55,860
a really erratic and fast moving light

738
00:27:59,930 --> 00:27:57,840
in the sky

739
00:28:01,610 --> 00:27:59,940
um it happened so fast we weren't able

740
00:28:04,010 --> 00:28:01,620
to take any pictures but what happened

741
00:28:06,409 --> 00:28:04,020
we were flying with this 4K 50 we're

742
00:28:08,510 --> 00:28:06,419
flying for uh Olympic Airways for this

743
00:28:10,610 --> 00:28:08,520
Greek Airline we're flying a lot of

744
00:28:13,370 --> 00:28:10,620
island hopping out of Athens we flew to

745
00:28:16,010 --> 00:28:13,380
all these small islands and we had a

746
00:28:17,750 --> 00:28:16,020
evening and a night flight so we were

747
00:28:20,570 --> 00:28:17,760
flying to two or three islands I think

748
00:28:22,370 --> 00:28:20,580
including the islands of Mykonos or it

749
00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:22,380
must have been one of those islands

750
00:28:26,390 --> 00:28:24,960
and we just landed on the runway and

751
00:28:27,850 --> 00:28:26,400
since it's a small airport we had to

752
00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:27,860
make a 180

753
00:28:33,529 --> 00:28:30,720
Backtrack on the runway so that means we

754
00:28:35,750 --> 00:28:33,539
basically make a one decree sorry a turn

755
00:28:37,970 --> 00:28:35,760
of 180 degrees on the runway and the

756
00:28:39,409 --> 00:28:37,980
moment we started turning the 4K 50 had

757
00:28:42,350 --> 00:28:39,419
really big windows

758
00:28:44,870 --> 00:28:42,360
my both of my colleague and I we saw a

759
00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:44,880
really bright light just uh

760
00:28:49,310 --> 00:28:47,520
basically uh as bright as a bright

761
00:28:51,950 --> 00:28:49,320
Planet like like Mars or Jupiter you

762
00:28:54,830 --> 00:28:51,960
sometimes see in the sky it appeared it

763
00:28:57,110 --> 00:28:54,840
moved it disappeared it reappeared

764
00:28:58,970 --> 00:28:57,120
yeah it's difficult to to to to to to

765
00:29:01,250 --> 00:28:58,980
tell you how far but it was like the

766
00:29:03,549 --> 00:29:01,260
width of the uh of a full moon it's

767
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:03,559
reappeared again moved disappeared

768
00:29:08,210 --> 00:29:06,000
reappears and all of a sudden it was

769
00:29:11,149 --> 00:29:08,220
stationary for maybe half a second one

770
00:29:12,830 --> 00:29:11,159
second and it's shot away just like

771
00:29:15,049 --> 00:29:12,840
instant acceleration it was not even

772
00:29:17,090 --> 00:29:15,059
accelerating it was like instant speed

773
00:29:20,389 --> 00:29:17,100
and it was like a shooting star but in

774
00:29:23,450 --> 00:29:20,399
Reverse it was just going in insane

775
00:29:25,970 --> 00:29:23,460
speeds I've never seen anything like

776
00:29:29,269 --> 00:29:25,980
this and this is also one of the things

777
00:29:32,510 --> 00:29:29,279
that um uh Commander David Draper is

778
00:29:35,330 --> 00:29:32,520
talking about and and Louis Elizondo uh

779
00:29:37,610 --> 00:29:35,340
and this really uh I have no clue what

780
00:29:40,010 --> 00:29:37,620
it was because with my background as a

781
00:29:42,470 --> 00:29:40,020
pilot and a little bit of uh

782
00:29:45,769 --> 00:29:42,480
Aeronautical Engineering

783
00:29:47,330 --> 00:29:45,779
um I try to to evaluate a distance this

784
00:29:50,389 --> 00:29:47,340
this object or the light was actually

785
00:29:51,889 --> 00:29:50,399
from from us uh but it's impossible to

786
00:29:54,049 --> 00:29:51,899
say because I mean it was just a bright

787
00:29:56,510 --> 00:29:54,059
light so you have no Dimensions no no no

788
00:29:58,909 --> 00:29:56,520
no no Parallax to compare it with but

789
00:30:00,590 --> 00:29:58,919
let's say if it was at a normal uh

790
00:30:02,750 --> 00:30:00,600
altitude of a normal airliner let's say

791
00:30:04,970 --> 00:30:02,760
30 000 feet

792
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:04,980
um it must have accelerated away with

793
00:30:10,310 --> 00:30:07,440
the speed of in excess Mark 20 Mark 30

794
00:30:12,830 --> 00:30:10,320
so that's about 20 20 30 times as as

795
00:30:15,049 --> 00:30:12,840
fast as a normal airliner uh 20 times

796
00:30:16,730 --> 00:30:15,059
the speed of sounds and maybe that's

797
00:30:18,889 --> 00:30:16,740
even a low estimate

798
00:30:20,690 --> 00:30:18,899
um if it was even higher because it's

799
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:20,700
it's it it's impossible to judge how

800
00:30:27,070 --> 00:30:23,039
wide was but if it was really high like

801
00:30:30,590 --> 00:30:27,080
uh um low earth orbits it must have been

802
00:30:32,630 --> 00:30:30,600
insane absolutely insane and this is the

803
00:30:34,730 --> 00:30:32,640
type of characteristic characteristics

804
00:30:37,130 --> 00:30:34,740
that is being discussed quite often by

805
00:30:40,430 --> 00:30:37,140
those military Pilots as well

806
00:30:42,169 --> 00:30:40,440
um and this was this was uh strange the

807
00:30:44,810 --> 00:30:42,179
funny thing was that same evening we

808
00:30:47,330 --> 00:30:44,820
basically concluded uh that it it must

809
00:30:49,730 --> 00:30:47,340
have been something military because the

810
00:30:52,070 --> 00:30:49,740
um the carrier strike group the USS

811
00:30:54,590 --> 00:30:52,080
Theodore Roosevelt I think it was it was

812
00:30:57,110 --> 00:30:54,600
a nuclear uh aircraft carrier with all

813
00:30:59,690 --> 00:30:57,120
the support ships was just passing by

814
00:31:02,510 --> 00:30:59,700
just south of Greece uh just on its way

815
00:31:05,090 --> 00:31:02,520
to the Persian Gulf and uh we just

816
00:31:07,850 --> 00:31:05,100
thought you know it's probably like some

817
00:31:11,630 --> 00:31:07,860
fancy military equipment or a missile or

818
00:31:13,250 --> 00:31:11,640
or something like that and only later I

819
00:31:16,130 --> 00:31:13,260
heard that this is also thanks to miss

820
00:31:17,570 --> 00:31:16,140
Elizondo and and other people that came

821
00:31:19,190 --> 00:31:17,580
forward

822
00:31:22,430 --> 00:31:19,200
um that many of those

823
00:31:24,710 --> 00:31:22,440
lights are being seen near nuclear

824
00:31:25,930 --> 00:31:24,720
insulations both nuclear power plants

825
00:31:28,490 --> 00:31:25,940
but also

826
00:31:30,409 --> 00:31:28,500
nuclear Naval vessels but even the I

827
00:31:34,549 --> 00:31:30,419
think it was the USS Princeton this is

828
00:31:36,769 --> 00:31:34,559
uh quite a cruise missile uh um uh

829
00:31:38,690 --> 00:31:36,779
Cruiser I think it was

830
00:31:41,029 --> 00:31:38,700
um so there's a lot of strange activity

831
00:31:43,970 --> 00:31:41,039
going going on around Navy ships and

832
00:31:45,710 --> 00:31:43,980
nuclear installations and that actually

833
00:31:48,590 --> 00:31:45,720
in retrospect makes me wonder what we

834
00:31:49,909 --> 00:31:48,600
saw there and uh purely mechanical

835
00:31:52,070 --> 00:31:49,919
perspective

836
00:31:55,010 --> 00:31:52,080
I cannot explain what it was because the

837
00:31:56,389 --> 00:31:55,020
acceleration was instantaneous and by

838
00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:56,399
the way when it was appearing

839
00:31:59,810 --> 00:31:58,320
reappearing disappearing reappearing and

840
00:32:01,549 --> 00:31:59,820
shooting away it was still in one

841
00:32:04,010 --> 00:32:01,559
continuous light so it was following the

842
00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:04,020
same trajectory

843
00:32:06,649 --> 00:32:06,000
um but it seemed to be

844
00:32:09,649 --> 00:32:06,659
um

845
00:32:11,870 --> 00:32:09,659
very unnatural let's say what color was

846
00:32:13,909 --> 00:32:11,880
it the light just just pure white just

847
00:32:16,789 --> 00:32:13,919
pure right yeah and it was like yeah

848
00:32:19,490 --> 00:32:16,799
yeah no carry on carry on yeah it was

849
00:32:21,830 --> 00:32:19,500
like the the size of a of a small planet

850
00:32:23,510 --> 00:32:21,840
uh like we see normally in the in the

851
00:32:26,029 --> 00:32:23,520
sky but the behavior was was

852
00:32:27,409 --> 00:32:26,039
inexplicable

853
00:32:29,630 --> 00:32:27,419
yeah and it's funny you mentioned the

854
00:32:31,549 --> 00:32:29,640
USS Theodore Roosevelt that was the ship

855
00:32:35,149 --> 00:32:31,559
that was involved in the the sightings

856
00:32:36,950 --> 00:32:35,159
off of the east coast in 2015. oh that's

857
00:32:38,750 --> 00:32:36,960
very funny it'd be very easy to kind of

858
00:32:40,730 --> 00:32:38,760
make those connections that you know

859
00:32:43,370 --> 00:32:40,740
could be purely coincidental but very

860
00:32:45,230 --> 00:32:43,380
interesting point indeed so all right I

861
00:32:48,110 --> 00:32:45,240
didn't realize that because uh the

862
00:32:49,909 --> 00:32:48,120
reason why we why we knew it it was in

863
00:32:51,470 --> 00:32:49,919
the uh the flight preparation we we

864
00:32:53,389 --> 00:32:51,480
looked through the no temps which stands

865
00:32:55,130 --> 00:32:53,399
for notice to all Airmen which is

866
00:32:57,590 --> 00:32:55,140
basically a briefing package which says

867
00:32:59,630 --> 00:32:57,600
uh you know this and this Beacon is is

868
00:33:01,909 --> 00:32:59,640
out of service this part of the airspace

869
00:33:03,529 --> 00:33:01,919
is closed uh be careful there's a

870
00:33:08,690 --> 00:33:03,539
there's a

871
00:33:10,370 --> 00:33:08,700
built there but it also includes uh the

872
00:33:12,350 --> 00:33:10,380
closure of airspace as there's military

873
00:33:13,970 --> 00:33:12,360
activity and in this case

874
00:33:15,529 --> 00:33:13,980
um that was indicated black and white

875
00:33:17,149 --> 00:33:15,539
that the that this carrier group was

876
00:33:18,830 --> 00:33:17,159
passing by and that there was a whole

877
00:33:21,649 --> 00:33:18,840
block of airspace basically closed for

878
00:33:24,950 --> 00:33:21,659
civilian air airplanes as this task

879
00:33:26,810 --> 00:33:24,960
group was was uh that was going by so

880
00:33:28,909 --> 00:33:26,820
that's how we knew there was a some

881
00:33:31,610 --> 00:33:28,919
military activity going on but I never

882
00:33:34,850 --> 00:33:31,620
linked it to any sort of UAP or or it

883
00:33:36,710 --> 00:33:34,860
just struck me and I was really

884
00:33:38,810 --> 00:33:36,720
wondering you know if this is the kind

885
00:33:40,009 --> 00:33:38,820
of jets that these guys are flying they

886
00:33:42,289 --> 00:33:40,019
should make a new kind of Top Gun

887
00:33:44,810 --> 00:33:42,299
because it's like this is real this

888
00:33:46,669 --> 00:33:44,820
is this is really cool but

889
00:33:48,169 --> 00:33:46,679
um yeah I don't I don't know what to

890
00:33:50,450 --> 00:33:48,179
think about it but it was really really

891
00:33:52,610 --> 00:33:50,460
mind-blowing and uh I'm still I'm still

892
00:33:55,190 --> 00:33:52,620
hoping to get a Pros Eric explanation

893
00:33:57,710 --> 00:33:55,200
for it because uh you know it was

894
00:33:59,990 --> 00:33:57,720
clearly not natural there there's no way

895
00:34:01,430 --> 00:34:00,000
a natural object can can accelerate like

896
00:34:03,950 --> 00:34:01,440
that

897
00:34:06,350 --> 00:34:03,960
um and no matter no matter what it is

898
00:34:09,050 --> 00:34:06,360
the the implications

899
00:34:10,669 --> 00:34:09,060
uh are insane if this is man-made

900
00:34:13,669 --> 00:34:10,679
technology if this is a black project

901
00:34:16,310 --> 00:34:13,679
Rockets or a spaceship or even a drone

902
00:34:18,710 --> 00:34:16,320
wow this is this is groundbreaking

903
00:34:22,790 --> 00:34:18,720
technology this would this would rewrite

904
00:34:25,010 --> 00:34:22,800
the uh the loss of of aerodynamics

905
00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:25,020
um that will be really cool and maybe

906
00:34:28,250 --> 00:34:26,639
it's something else I don't know but I

907
00:34:30,470 --> 00:34:28,260
just want to know what I want to know

908
00:34:33,109 --> 00:34:30,480
what it is it's because it's it's really

909
00:34:35,030 --> 00:34:33,119
from from a pilot's perspective it's

910
00:34:38,990 --> 00:34:35,040
just uh nice to see

911
00:34:40,909 --> 00:34:39,000
yeah fascinating cases again

912
00:34:42,290 --> 00:34:40,919
um so yeah let's move on to the third

913
00:34:46,070 --> 00:34:42,300
anomalous case that we're going to talk

914
00:34:49,669 --> 00:34:46,080
about which is another falling like case

915
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:49,679
yeah uh yeah that was right February 28

916
00:34:52,070 --> 00:34:51,010
2009.

917
00:34:53,869 --> 00:34:52,080
[Music]

918
00:34:55,790 --> 00:34:53,879
um this is also interesting because it's

919
00:34:58,070 --> 00:34:55,800
it's it greatly resembles the first

920
00:35:02,450 --> 00:34:58,080
falling light I've seen this case I was

921
00:35:04,970 --> 00:35:02,460
flying with the 737 boom 737 from um I

922
00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:04,980
think it was Crete back to Amsterdam and

923
00:35:10,370 --> 00:35:07,200
it was a daylight flight Cafe weather

924
00:35:13,310 --> 00:35:10,380
it's like no clouds visibility was

925
00:35:14,810 --> 00:35:13,320
almost unlimited and we were following

926
00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:14,820
the Greek

927
00:35:20,569 --> 00:35:17,040
um Albanian Coastline and we were just

928
00:35:22,069 --> 00:35:20,579
flying towards the north north west and

929
00:35:23,630 --> 00:35:22,079
we were just chatting just like actually

930
00:35:26,089 --> 00:35:23,640
the first time with the falling lights

931
00:35:28,730 --> 00:35:26,099
and I was looking towards my uh my

932
00:35:30,410 --> 00:35:28,740
captain and so basically I was I had the

933
00:35:33,710 --> 00:35:30,420
wind windshield on the on the left-hand

934
00:35:37,069 --> 00:35:33,720
side in full View and both of us we saw

935
00:35:40,609 --> 00:35:37,079
almost a similar uh bright white lights

936
00:35:42,470 --> 00:35:40,619
falling with almost the same speeds

937
00:35:44,569 --> 00:35:42,480
um straight down and it disappeared in

938
00:35:46,970 --> 00:35:44,579
the Adriatic Sea and if I have to

939
00:35:49,730 --> 00:35:46,980
estimate the location it must have been

940
00:35:53,990 --> 00:35:49,740
um just over the border between Albania

941
00:35:56,270 --> 00:35:54,000
and Greece uh on the Albanian sites or

942
00:35:58,550 --> 00:35:56,280
let's say 15 or 20 kilometers from the

943
00:36:01,069 --> 00:35:58,560
coastline into the water and it just

944
00:36:04,670 --> 00:36:01,079
disappeared into the water I didn't see

945
00:36:05,990 --> 00:36:04,680
any any Splash or of Flesh doesn't say

946
00:36:08,450 --> 00:36:06,000
anything because we're actually flying

947
00:36:11,510 --> 00:36:08,460
so high I mean we're talking about 38

948
00:36:14,210 --> 00:36:11,520
000 feet so it's almost impossible to uh

949
00:36:17,089 --> 00:36:14,220
to to see any details uh on the surface

950
00:36:19,790 --> 00:36:17,099
of the ocean but it was falling rapidly

951
00:36:21,470 --> 00:36:19,800
and if I have to estimate the vertical

952
00:36:24,410 --> 00:36:21,480
speeds

953
00:36:25,849 --> 00:36:24,420
I think it's a drop down from our

954
00:36:27,410 --> 00:36:25,859
altitudes because that's actually the

955
00:36:31,010 --> 00:36:27,420
moment we saw it when it was passing

956
00:36:34,069 --> 00:36:31,020
below the the window frame an interview

957
00:36:36,050 --> 00:36:34,079
um two seconds from 30 000 feet to to

958
00:36:37,849 --> 00:36:36,060
sea level roughly that's that's that's

959
00:36:40,430 --> 00:36:37,859
that's more or less so that's an insane

960
00:36:42,470 --> 00:36:40,440
speed and um

961
00:36:44,150 --> 00:36:42,480
um in this case I immediately asked the

962
00:36:46,609 --> 00:36:44,160
air traffic controller which was a Greek

963
00:36:48,170 --> 00:36:46,619
uh guy we were still talking to if there

964
00:36:50,810 --> 00:36:48,180
was any military activity in the

965
00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:50,820
Adriatic Sea or the airspace ahead of us

966
00:36:54,410 --> 00:36:52,320
um the first of all because I thought

967
00:36:57,050 --> 00:36:54,420
maybe maybe we overlooked some really

968
00:36:58,910 --> 00:36:57,060
important notes or air space closure and

969
00:37:01,430 --> 00:36:58,920
that's kind of embarrassing if you if

970
00:37:04,250 --> 00:37:01,440
you fly into closed airspace as a as a

971
00:37:05,750 --> 00:37:04,260
commercial pilot uh but no he was he was

972
00:37:08,510 --> 00:37:05,760
almost kind of agitated he said no no no

973
00:37:09,710 --> 00:37:08,520
activity just contacts uh whatever this

974
00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:09,720
next guy

975
00:37:13,550 --> 00:37:11,760
and we contacted the Albanian air

976
00:37:15,410 --> 00:37:13,560
traffic controller

977
00:37:19,010 --> 00:37:15,420
um he just created US Direct to a normal

978
00:37:20,450 --> 00:37:19,020
route and uh which was kind of normal I

979
00:37:22,010 --> 00:37:20,460
immediately asked him as well if there

980
00:37:23,270 --> 00:37:22,020
was any military activity and he was

981
00:37:25,250 --> 00:37:23,280
really surprised he said no there's

982
00:37:28,010 --> 00:37:25,260
there's no no traffic no activity no

983
00:37:30,170 --> 00:37:28,020
nothing whatsoever happening uh to the

984
00:37:32,329 --> 00:37:30,180
North or to the west of you so that

985
00:37:36,849 --> 00:37:32,339
showed to me that it was at least no

986
00:37:38,990 --> 00:37:36,859
commercial traffic which has kind of a

987
00:37:42,410 --> 00:37:39,000
which would have been kind of strange if

988
00:37:44,630 --> 00:37:42,420
if it was a falling commercial object

989
00:37:46,910 --> 00:37:44,640
um but I've got no clue what it what it

990
00:37:48,950 --> 00:37:46,920
was it was really strange and if it was

991
00:37:50,990 --> 00:37:48,960
a meteor I've seen millions of meteors

992
00:37:52,970 --> 00:37:51,000
and shooting stars

993
00:37:54,410 --> 00:37:52,980
um first of all they burn up high in the

994
00:37:56,450 --> 00:37:54,420
atmosphere and if they make it down

995
00:37:58,130 --> 00:37:56,460
towards the Earth uh they never fall

996
00:38:00,950 --> 00:37:58,140
down in a vertical path they always go

997
00:38:02,990 --> 00:38:00,960
down in a shallow path uh it was also

998
00:38:05,930 --> 00:38:03,000
white light bright white so it was not

999
00:38:08,089 --> 00:38:05,940
like a burning uh rock or it's just

1000
00:38:10,310 --> 00:38:08,099
something something very hot it was pure

1001
00:38:12,530 --> 00:38:10,320
white light and it just fell down and it

1002
00:38:15,230 --> 00:38:12,540
disappeared and at the end of the under

1003
00:38:17,930 --> 00:38:15,240
the ocean it went straight in yeah yeah

1004
00:38:20,450 --> 00:38:17,940
yeah at least this was this was my uh

1005
00:38:24,170 --> 00:38:20,460
perception sure right okay I guess you

1006
00:38:26,750 --> 00:38:24,180
can't save for certain but wow

1007
00:38:28,250 --> 00:38:26,760
yeah baffles yeah you put yourself I

1008
00:38:30,050 --> 00:38:28,260
mean I put myself in that in that

1009
00:38:32,750 --> 00:38:30,060
situation and you just

1010
00:38:35,210 --> 00:38:32,760
yeah that's that's something else yeah

1011
00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:35,220
and also um I think it's it's important

1012
00:38:38,930 --> 00:38:37,200
to note and this this is not only

1013
00:38:42,109 --> 00:38:38,940
applicable to this falling light but

1014
00:38:44,150 --> 00:38:42,119
basically for me as a as a pilot as a

1015
00:38:45,290 --> 00:38:44,160
train Observer

1016
00:38:46,910 --> 00:38:45,300
um

1017
00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:46,920
first of all

1018
00:38:51,530 --> 00:38:49,200
um I'm I'm only concerned about the

1019
00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:51,540
safety of my flight and passengers or

1020
00:38:57,770 --> 00:38:53,760
the the cargo we carry

1021
00:38:59,030 --> 00:38:57,780
um and the very last thing on my mind is

1022
00:39:01,210 --> 00:38:59,040
um wondering if this is something

1023
00:39:03,349 --> 00:39:01,220
anomalous or a UAP or something

1024
00:39:05,690 --> 00:39:03,359
interesting the only thing I'm

1025
00:39:07,730 --> 00:39:05,700
interested in is does it affect my

1026
00:39:10,130 --> 00:39:07,740
flight path does it affect my airplane

1027
00:39:12,109 --> 00:39:10,140
is it something weather related that we

1028
00:39:14,030 --> 00:39:12,119
have to avoid

1029
00:39:16,430 --> 00:39:14,040
um is it some other traffic maybe that

1030
00:39:18,109 --> 00:39:16,440
we that we have to keep in mind

1031
00:39:19,849 --> 00:39:18,119
um so that's the way I'm always looking

1032
00:39:21,770 --> 00:39:19,859
out of my window that's the way I

1033
00:39:23,870 --> 00:39:21,780
interpret my instruments and I'm flying

1034
00:39:26,030 --> 00:39:23,880
my airplane and I think this is very

1035
00:39:27,589 --> 00:39:26,040
important for people to remember that uh

1036
00:39:29,150 --> 00:39:27,599
because I guess a lot of people will

1037
00:39:30,530 --> 00:39:29,160
start complaining so oh he doesn't have

1038
00:39:33,170 --> 00:39:30,540
any pictures it's only anecdotal

1039
00:39:35,270 --> 00:39:33,180
evidence or any not even evidence it's

1040
00:39:37,250 --> 00:39:35,280
just an anecdotes so yeah

1041
00:39:39,170 --> 00:39:37,260
but I'm there to fly the airplane I'm

1042
00:39:41,810 --> 00:39:39,180
I'm sitting in the cockpits I'm being

1043
00:39:44,329 --> 00:39:41,820
paid to fly the airplane as safe as

1044
00:39:45,410 --> 00:39:44,339
possible so the last thing on my mind is

1045
00:39:47,150 --> 00:39:45,420
is

1046
00:39:49,030 --> 00:39:47,160
um uh taking pictures when there's

1047
00:39:53,750 --> 00:39:49,040
something going on because I have to

1048
00:39:55,730 --> 00:39:53,760
have to be uh in my role as a pilot so

1049
00:39:57,170 --> 00:39:55,740
um it's also very good to keep in mind

1050
00:39:59,089 --> 00:39:57,180
that every time I see something like

1051
00:40:00,530 --> 00:39:59,099
that I'm not instantly jumping to

1052
00:40:03,410 --> 00:40:00,540
conclusions like wow this must be

1053
00:40:07,450 --> 00:40:03,420
interesting or this must be uh

1054
00:40:10,150 --> 00:40:07,460
an alien from a certain what's it called

1055
00:40:13,250 --> 00:40:10,160
yeah that one

1056
00:40:15,230 --> 00:40:13,260
no pretty far from it and actually I I

1057
00:40:19,310 --> 00:40:15,240
doubt if if any of these things are

1058
00:40:20,089 --> 00:40:19,320
relatable to to aliens but

1059
00:40:22,310 --> 00:40:20,099
um

1060
00:40:24,170 --> 00:40:22,320
yeah so I just I I just want to have it

1061
00:40:25,970 --> 00:40:24,180
cleared up that for me as a pilot and

1062
00:40:28,430 --> 00:40:25,980
this applies to to all the pilots both

1063
00:40:30,950 --> 00:40:28,440
military and commercially we're there

1064
00:40:32,750 --> 00:40:30,960
um with a mission uh either or it's it's

1065
00:40:35,510 --> 00:40:32,760
either a military Mission or are we

1066
00:40:37,130 --> 00:40:35,520
there to operate the flights so um just

1067
00:40:39,349 --> 00:40:37,140
to take away any doubts for people and

1068
00:40:41,510 --> 00:40:39,359
think that I'm jumping to conclusions

1069
00:40:42,650 --> 00:40:41,520
here or there yeah and I'd just like to

1070
00:40:44,329 --> 00:40:42,660
say as well we're now going to start

1071
00:40:46,730 --> 00:40:44,339
looking at some sightings which you have

1072
00:40:48,170 --> 00:40:46,740
captured images of but I mean one thing

1073
00:40:50,510 --> 00:40:48,180
I'll say about the first three is it

1074
00:40:51,950 --> 00:40:50,520
sounds like even if you were to want to

1075
00:40:54,230 --> 00:40:51,960
take a photograph of those things it

1076
00:40:56,390 --> 00:40:54,240
happened almost in an instant or over a

1077
00:40:57,890 --> 00:40:56,400
couple of seconds even if you've done

1078
00:40:59,210 --> 00:40:57,900
what you needed to do in the cockpit am

1079
00:41:00,710 --> 00:40:59,220
I writing saying by the time you got

1080
00:41:03,650 --> 00:41:00,720
your camera it would have just been no

1081
00:41:05,810 --> 00:41:03,660
point anyway yeah and it also uh makes

1082
00:41:08,210 --> 00:41:05,820
me wonder how much I missed because I'm

1083
00:41:10,609 --> 00:41:08,220
flying now for 20 years and

1084
00:41:12,950 --> 00:41:10,619
um for anyone who's ever visited a

1085
00:41:14,450 --> 00:41:12,960
cockpit of an airliner uh the windows

1086
00:41:15,530 --> 00:41:14,460
are actually kind of small and we're

1087
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:15,540
sitting there

1088
00:41:18,349 --> 00:41:17,040
um most of the time we're looking inside

1089
00:41:20,329 --> 00:41:18,359
because we're literally flying on

1090
00:41:22,310 --> 00:41:20,339
instruments either we're talking with

1091
00:41:23,690 --> 00:41:22,320
each other we're doing the the radio and

1092
00:41:26,030 --> 00:41:23,700
the time I'm actually looking outside

1093
00:41:28,130 --> 00:41:26,040
through these relatively small windows

1094
00:41:29,870 --> 00:41:28,140
it's kind of limited so sometimes I'm

1095
00:41:32,270 --> 00:41:29,880
wondering you know maybe I've I've

1096
00:41:34,490 --> 00:41:32,280
missed the most spectacular phenomena

1097
00:41:36,109 --> 00:41:34,500
outside and I've never even noticed it

1098
00:41:39,230 --> 00:41:36,119
so these are just the handful of things

1099
00:41:41,210 --> 00:41:39,240
that I've seen and and uh yeah I can

1100
00:41:42,770 --> 00:41:41,220
testify that that I cannot out and kind

1101
00:41:45,890 --> 00:41:42,780
of explain what I've what I've seen so

1102
00:41:47,630 --> 00:41:45,900
far yeah now the first case that we're

1103
00:41:49,550 --> 00:41:47,640
going to look at here that you you know

1104
00:41:50,990 --> 00:41:49,560
is certainly very strange but you have

1105
00:41:52,849 --> 00:41:51,000
figured it out in the end I think is the

1106
00:41:54,050 --> 00:41:52,859
red lights over the Pacific is is this

1107
00:41:55,730 --> 00:41:54,060
the one you mentioned earlier that kind

1108
00:41:57,470 --> 00:41:55,740
of went viral and appeared in the news

1109
00:41:59,030 --> 00:41:57,480
so yeah if you want to talk us through

1110
00:42:01,490 --> 00:41:59,040
this one that's going to be interesting

1111
00:42:03,829 --> 00:42:01,500
yeah yeah uh just just feel free to show

1112
00:42:06,290 --> 00:42:03,839
the pictures as we as we discuss it

1113
00:42:08,950 --> 00:42:06,300
um this was in the night of 24 and 25

1114
00:42:10,849 --> 00:42:08,960
25th of August

1115
00:42:13,490 --> 00:42:10,859
2014

1116
00:42:15,829 --> 00:42:13,500
um I was flying an airplane from Hong

1117
00:42:17,930 --> 00:42:15,839
Kong to Anchorage we were flying over

1118
00:42:20,030 --> 00:42:17,940
the Pacific Ocean for about nine and a

1119
00:42:21,650 --> 00:42:20,040
half ten hours straight

1120
00:42:23,450 --> 00:42:21,660
um the very nights

1121
00:42:25,370 --> 00:42:23,460
um we had a briefing package both for

1122
00:42:27,589 --> 00:42:25,380
the weather and the no temps uh there

1123
00:42:29,030 --> 00:42:27,599
was some military activity going on I

1124
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:29,040
think the Americans were testing a

1125
00:42:34,210 --> 00:42:31,440
Hypersonic missile out of the Lutheran

1126
00:42:36,770 --> 00:42:34,220
Islands Southern Alaska

1127
00:42:39,829 --> 00:42:36,780
and there were a lot of

1128
00:42:41,270 --> 00:42:39,839
um erupting volcanoes that flights they

1129
00:42:43,370 --> 00:42:41,280
were erupting basically around the

1130
00:42:45,470 --> 00:42:43,380
so-called Ring of Fire the Pacific ring

1131
00:42:49,630 --> 00:42:45,480
of fire so there were volcanoes erupting

1132
00:42:52,970 --> 00:42:49,640
in southern Japan in Indonesia Alaska

1133
00:42:54,170 --> 00:42:52,980
North America well at least we had there

1134
00:42:56,030 --> 00:42:54,180
were a couple of earthquakes in North

1135
00:42:57,950 --> 00:42:56,040
America there were volcanoes erupting in

1136
00:43:00,790 --> 00:42:57,960
South America

1137
00:43:03,349 --> 00:43:00,800
um so we were pretty

1138
00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:03,359
well informed about possible ash clouds

1139
00:43:07,670 --> 00:43:04,800
and all the stuff that that we might

1140
00:43:10,849 --> 00:43:07,680
encounter as Pilots there most of these

1141
00:43:13,309 --> 00:43:10,859
uh stems as they are called or the the

1142
00:43:15,230 --> 00:43:13,319
warnings about volcanic activity it

1143
00:43:17,450 --> 00:43:15,240
comes from satellite data or Pilot

1144
00:43:19,490 --> 00:43:17,460
reports so if if I sometimes see

1145
00:43:21,410 --> 00:43:19,500
something anomalous like a volcano

1146
00:43:22,790 --> 00:43:21,420
exploding or erupting we have to report

1147
00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:22,800
it because sometimes we just the first

1148
00:43:27,349 --> 00:43:25,680
one so the only ones who see it so we

1149
00:43:29,569 --> 00:43:27,359
were really on the lookout for anything

1150
00:43:30,950 --> 00:43:29,579
that that might endanger our flight like

1151
00:43:34,069 --> 00:43:30,960
flying in a Nash Cloud which is

1152
00:43:34,609 --> 00:43:34,079
basically uh very dangerous

1153
00:43:37,010 --> 00:43:34,619
um

1154
00:43:38,569 --> 00:43:37,020
all of a sudden uh we were I think about

1155
00:43:41,510 --> 00:43:38,579
three hours in Flight we were flying

1156
00:43:43,430 --> 00:43:41,520
north of Japan just uh far east of

1157
00:43:45,710 --> 00:43:43,440
Kamchatka

1158
00:43:47,150 --> 00:43:45,720
um we we didn't all the lights and this

1159
00:43:48,650 --> 00:43:47,160
was typical one of those evenings that

1160
00:43:52,390 --> 00:43:48,660
we were talking about the universe and

1161
00:43:56,030 --> 00:43:52,400
life and you name it cars

1162
00:43:57,710 --> 00:43:56,040
and I just had my meal in the oven and I

1163
00:44:00,109 --> 00:43:57,720
was waiting for it to finish and we were

1164
00:44:02,870 --> 00:44:00,119
just looking out for the stars and all

1165
00:44:05,630 --> 00:44:02,880
of a sudden on the horizon we saw a very

1166
00:44:08,390 --> 00:44:05,640
bright flash of Lights which is

1167
00:44:11,450 --> 00:44:08,400
um which really surprised us because we

1168
00:44:12,950 --> 00:44:11,460
we had no clue where it uh where it came

1169
00:44:15,290 --> 00:44:12,960
from yeah this was basically the view as

1170
00:44:17,450 --> 00:44:15,300
we as we saw with the naked eye and

1171
00:44:18,770 --> 00:44:17,460
around the area of the red lights in the

1172
00:44:20,809 --> 00:44:18,780
far distance there was this really

1173
00:44:23,030 --> 00:44:20,819
really bright flash of lights but there

1174
00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:23,040
were no thunderstorms reported uh there

1175
00:44:26,510 --> 00:44:24,240
were no thunderstorms on our weather

1176
00:44:29,089 --> 00:44:26,520
radar Etc and it really triggered our

1177
00:44:31,010 --> 00:44:29,099
imagination uh wondering what it was and

1178
00:44:33,290 --> 00:44:31,020
about half an hour later or maybe maybe

1179
00:44:36,050 --> 00:44:33,300
10 hours until 10 minutes later we saw

1180
00:44:38,390 --> 00:44:36,060
this um glow on the horizon appearing

1181
00:44:39,290 --> 00:44:38,400
and these red lights basically started

1182
00:44:42,410 --> 00:44:39,300
to

1183
00:44:44,030 --> 00:44:42,420
show up as we came closer it was pure

1184
00:44:45,470 --> 00:44:44,040
coincidence that they were just below

1185
00:44:48,170 --> 00:44:45,480
our flight path so we basically

1186
00:44:51,530 --> 00:44:48,180
approached them add-on we flew over it

1187
00:44:53,030 --> 00:44:51,540
and uh I have I still have no clue if

1188
00:44:54,349 --> 00:44:53,040
it's connected to the bright flash of

1189
00:44:57,170 --> 00:44:54,359
light maybe it's it's probably

1190
00:44:58,910 --> 00:44:57,180
completely unrelated uh but we were

1191
00:45:00,410 --> 00:44:58,920
baffled and we had no clue what was

1192
00:45:04,069 --> 00:45:00,420
going on

1193
00:45:06,230 --> 00:45:04,079
um flying there and keep in mind we we

1194
00:45:08,390 --> 00:45:06,240
were on the on the lookout for uh

1195
00:45:10,970 --> 00:45:08,400
volcanoes and ash clouds and you name it

1196
00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:10,980
uh we were really spooked when we saw

1197
00:45:14,569 --> 00:45:12,720
this because our first reaction was

1198
00:45:18,589 --> 00:45:14,579
there's like a

1199
00:45:21,410 --> 00:45:18,599
magnetic uh undersea eruption or there's

1200
00:45:22,730 --> 00:45:21,420
some volcano uh blowing of steam or

1201
00:45:25,730 --> 00:45:22,740
something is happening there that might

1202
00:45:28,069 --> 00:45:25,740
endanger our airplane uh but as we as we

1203
00:45:29,270 --> 00:45:28,079
came closer we saw that these lights uh

1204
00:45:31,130 --> 00:45:29,280
these individual lights they were

1205
00:45:32,690 --> 00:45:31,140
completely steady they were not burning

1206
00:45:34,010 --> 00:45:32,700
they were not not flickering like you

1207
00:45:36,470 --> 00:45:34,020
would see with the forest fires

1208
00:45:38,510 --> 00:45:36,480
sometimes and they even had green and

1209
00:45:40,430 --> 00:45:38,520
white lights

1210
00:45:42,710 --> 00:45:40,440
um and that was really strange but still

1211
00:45:44,030 --> 00:45:42,720
uh our our hearts were beating in our

1212
00:45:45,829 --> 00:45:44,040
throats because we were just so afraid

1213
00:45:47,690 --> 00:45:45,839
of flying into an ash clouds so

1214
00:45:49,970 --> 00:45:47,700
basically we stayed we tried we we

1215
00:45:51,829 --> 00:45:49,980
decided to maintain our course and to

1216
00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:51,839
stay clear of any possible clouds or

1217
00:45:58,250 --> 00:45:54,720
weather and just let the lights be what

1218
00:46:00,530 --> 00:45:58,260
they were so uh yeah we took right I

1219
00:46:04,010 --> 00:46:00,540
took a lot of pictures of it and after

1220
00:46:06,109 --> 00:46:04,020
uploading them uh the next day they went

1221
00:46:07,750 --> 00:46:06,119
viral and this was uh it was it was

1222
00:46:10,430 --> 00:46:07,760
crazy what happened what happened then

1223
00:46:12,290 --> 00:46:10,440
the funny thing is for people wondering

1224
00:46:14,150 --> 00:46:12,300
how big these lights are

1225
00:46:16,190 --> 00:46:14,160
um I don't know if I send you the

1226
00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:16,200
pictures picture as well but two days

1227
00:46:21,109 --> 00:46:18,480
later I was flying from Anchorage to

1228
00:46:24,109 --> 00:46:21,119
Chicago we were overflying Canada the

1229
00:46:26,510 --> 00:46:24,119
city of the Winnipeg I think and we were

1230
00:46:27,349 --> 00:46:26,520
flying at exactly the same altitudes

1231
00:46:30,530 --> 00:46:27,359
um

1232
00:46:33,770 --> 00:46:30,540
at night and I took a similar picture

1233
00:46:35,690 --> 00:46:33,780
over the city of Winnipeg and you can

1234
00:46:38,569 --> 00:46:35,700
actually compare the size between the

1235
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:38,579
city and the group of flights and do you

1236
00:46:43,250 --> 00:46:41,520
happen to have it with you there

1237
00:46:46,309 --> 00:46:43,260
that's it yeah

1238
00:46:49,069 --> 00:46:46,319
so uh top is the picture with the red

1239
00:46:51,470 --> 00:46:49,079
light so the Pacific we were flying

1240
00:46:54,829 --> 00:46:51,480
um I don't know must have been let's say

1241
00:46:56,390 --> 00:46:54,839
32 000 feet and Below we were flying at

1242
00:46:58,670 --> 00:46:56,400
the same altitude and that's the city of

1243
00:47:00,730 --> 00:46:58,680
Winnipeg which is about 20 or 25

1244
00:47:04,430 --> 00:47:00,740
kilometers in diameter

1245
00:47:06,050 --> 00:47:04,440
so taking that into account

1246
00:47:07,910 --> 00:47:06,060
um you can see that the spread of the

1247
00:47:11,030 --> 00:47:07,920
red of the the red group of Lights is

1248
00:47:13,010 --> 00:47:11,040
about 30 to 35 kilometers in total and

1249
00:47:15,410 --> 00:47:13,020
each individual light is about the size

1250
00:47:16,670 --> 00:47:15,420
of a football stadium

1251
00:47:19,670 --> 00:47:16,680
um

1252
00:47:23,089 --> 00:47:19,680
yeah so for a long time I had no clue

1253
00:47:24,950 --> 00:47:23,099
what it was up to uh roughly six months

1254
00:47:26,450 --> 00:47:24,960
seven months ago

1255
00:47:28,250 --> 00:47:26,460
um apparently another Pilots took

1256
00:47:30,950 --> 00:47:28,260
pictures of these red lights and they

1257
00:47:33,589 --> 00:47:30,960
have now been identified as being a

1258
00:47:35,809 --> 00:47:33,599
Chinese fishing fleet which is fishing

1259
00:47:39,290 --> 00:47:35,819
for sorry

1260
00:47:41,569 --> 00:47:39,300
um and even though I think the lights

1261
00:47:43,970 --> 00:47:41,579
are still pretty big for fishing fleets

1262
00:47:45,530 --> 00:47:43,980
I think it's kind of explained by now

1263
00:47:47,870 --> 00:47:45,540
because I think it was also last year

1264
00:47:50,150 --> 00:47:47,880
there was a there were some pictures

1265
00:47:52,970 --> 00:47:50,160
taken in the port of Shanghai and the

1266
00:47:54,710 --> 00:47:52,980
entire sky was was glowing red and they

1267
00:47:56,530 --> 00:47:54,720
were they were basically explained as

1268
00:47:59,150 --> 00:47:56,540
being efficiently testing their lights

1269
00:48:01,309 --> 00:47:59,160
and that explained to me the the red

1270
00:48:04,309 --> 00:48:01,319
glow and the main oh yeah maybe it's

1271
00:48:05,930 --> 00:48:04,319
good to mention the main reason why I I

1272
00:48:08,390 --> 00:48:05,940
um I didn't think it was a fishing fleet

1273
00:48:10,970 --> 00:48:08,400
to begin with because uh fishing fleets

1274
00:48:12,890 --> 00:48:10,980
always use white or green lights because

1275
00:48:15,650 --> 00:48:12,900
the white and green wavelengths actually

1276
00:48:18,230 --> 00:48:15,660
do penetrate seawater and a red light

1277
00:48:20,270 --> 00:48:18,240
doesn't penetrate seawater at all so it

1278
00:48:23,150 --> 00:48:20,280
doesn't make sense to to hunt for fish

1279
00:48:24,950 --> 00:48:23,160
or to to try and catch fish uh because

1280
00:48:27,589 --> 00:48:24,960
fish are simply not attracted to it from

1281
00:48:30,770 --> 00:48:27,599
from what I read in the literature

1282
00:48:33,589 --> 00:48:30,780
um but six months ago I found out that

1283
00:48:35,750 --> 00:48:33,599
actually what they try to do is not uh

1284
00:48:37,609 --> 00:48:35,760
lure those fish in but to comb them

1285
00:48:39,290 --> 00:48:37,619
because the fish don't see the lights so

1286
00:48:41,270 --> 00:48:39,300
they need illumination for for the

1287
00:48:43,690 --> 00:48:41,280
fishing nets and for the operation so

1288
00:48:46,250 --> 00:48:43,700
apparently the fish get really calm and

1289
00:48:47,930 --> 00:48:46,260
cozy when they see those red lights and

1290
00:48:50,809 --> 00:48:47,940
they're easy easier to fish out of the

1291
00:48:53,390 --> 00:48:50,819
ocean so long story shorts it was fun

1292
00:48:56,710 --> 00:48:53,400
while it lasted but I think it's kind of

1293
00:48:59,390 --> 00:48:56,720
kind of explained as a mundane and uh

1294
00:49:00,770 --> 00:48:59,400
interesting site but nothing nothing to

1295
00:49:03,050 --> 00:49:00,780
get excited about

1296
00:49:04,609 --> 00:49:03,060
yeah but I think one of the reasons why

1297
00:49:06,290 --> 00:49:04,619
we like we said earlier that we're

1298
00:49:08,390 --> 00:49:06,300
showing these cases that have been

1299
00:49:09,650 --> 00:49:08,400
figured out is that it shows the work

1300
00:49:11,150 --> 00:49:09,660
that you're putting in after seeing

1301
00:49:12,650 --> 00:49:11,160
something you know it really does

1302
00:49:14,750 --> 00:49:12,660
highlight that you you're not just

1303
00:49:16,609 --> 00:49:14,760
jumping to conclusions and you know the

1304
00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:16,619
the case there you mentioned about the

1305
00:49:21,230 --> 00:49:19,200
the Sky Go in red last year I I remember

1306
00:49:23,750 --> 00:49:21,240
that popping up all over uh sort of the

1307
00:49:25,849 --> 00:49:23,760
UFO Community with all sorts of theories

1308
00:49:27,290 --> 00:49:25,859
attached to it so you know it it can

1309
00:49:28,970 --> 00:49:27,300
happen that

1310
00:49:32,210 --> 00:49:28,980
people just go for the wildest

1311
00:49:34,609 --> 00:49:32,220
explanations first so you know it's

1312
00:49:37,609 --> 00:49:34,619
great it's really good uh so let's move

1313
00:49:39,410 --> 00:49:37,619
on to the next one which I believe if if

1314
00:49:41,030 --> 00:49:39,420
you don't mind uh what's really

1315
00:49:44,690 --> 00:49:41,040
interesting with these with these red

1316
00:49:46,730 --> 00:49:44,700
lights is that I received uh literally

1317
00:49:48,470 --> 00:49:46,740
maybe a thousand emails from people all

1318
00:49:50,750 --> 00:49:48,480
over the world

1319
00:49:53,030 --> 00:49:50,760
um some people going completely mental

1320
00:49:55,250 --> 00:49:53,040
with their own philosophies about uh the

1321
00:49:58,910 --> 00:49:55,260
Paranormal and um which was kind of uh

1322
00:50:01,190 --> 00:49:58,920
interesting to to to read uh but yeah I

1323
00:50:03,170 --> 00:50:01,200
couldn't really do anything with it but

1324
00:50:04,970 --> 00:50:03,180
I also received some emails from from

1325
00:50:07,490 --> 00:50:04,980
some scientists including a couple of

1326
00:50:08,809 --> 00:50:07,500
American and Russian scientists and they

1327
00:50:11,329 --> 00:50:08,819
uh

1328
00:50:13,490 --> 00:50:11,339
they might they they saw the explanation

1329
00:50:16,309 --> 00:50:13,500
for their theories in my pictures

1330
00:50:18,170 --> 00:50:16,319
that there is some sort of a possible

1331
00:50:19,670 --> 00:50:18,180
electrical discharge between the upper

1332
00:50:21,170 --> 00:50:19,680
parts of the atmosphere and the lower

1333
00:50:23,510 --> 00:50:21,180
parts of the atmosphere because

1334
00:50:25,910 --> 00:50:23,520
apparently and don't quote me on it

1335
00:50:28,569 --> 00:50:25,920
because I'm I'm not a an expert on it

1336
00:50:31,309 --> 00:50:28,579
but with thunderstorms there's a lot of

1337
00:50:32,809 --> 00:50:31,319
electromagnetic discharge I think from

1338
00:50:35,089 --> 00:50:32,819
the grounds to the air or the other way

1339
00:50:37,309 --> 00:50:35,099
around and um some scientists are

1340
00:50:40,390 --> 00:50:37,319
wondering how how nature or how the

1341
00:50:45,770 --> 00:50:40,400
planet is rebalancing those kind of uh

1342
00:50:47,569 --> 00:50:45,780
magnetic uh uh yeah anomalies so they

1343
00:50:49,250 --> 00:50:47,579
proposed that there must be some kind of

1344
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:49,260
a phenomena here and there that's

1345
00:50:52,790 --> 00:50:50,640
actually balancing out the

1346
00:50:55,130 --> 00:50:52,800
electromagnetical discharge or charge

1347
00:50:55,900 --> 00:50:55,140
from the upper atmosphere uh to the

1348
00:50:56,870 --> 00:50:55,910
ground

1349
00:50:57,530 --> 00:50:56,880
[Music]

1350
00:51:00,170 --> 00:50:57,540
um

1351
00:51:01,430 --> 00:51:00,180
really interesting but then again we

1352
00:51:04,010 --> 00:51:01,440
found out it's just a bunch of fishing

1353
00:51:05,690 --> 00:51:04,020
fleets uh but this also made me wonder

1354
00:51:07,849 --> 00:51:05,700
if this could maybe potentially explain

1355
00:51:09,410 --> 00:51:07,859
the falling Lights I've seen earlier uh

1356
00:51:11,089 --> 00:51:09,420
it seems highly unlikely to me because

1357
00:51:13,609 --> 00:51:11,099
it's it's far from a lightning strike

1358
00:51:15,170 --> 00:51:13,619
but uh I don't know

1359
00:51:17,450 --> 00:51:15,180
um anyway that was interesting to see

1360
00:51:18,710 --> 00:51:17,460
but among all those emails and this was

1361
00:51:20,930 --> 00:51:18,720
pretty cool

1362
00:51:22,430 --> 00:51:20,940
uh there was a forwarded email by

1363
00:51:25,549 --> 00:51:22,440
someone else who was who was trying to

1364
00:51:27,650 --> 00:51:25,559
to find out what it was and I saw that

1365
00:51:30,049 --> 00:51:27,660
the original email came from his buddy

1366
00:51:31,430 --> 00:51:30,059
working for Bae British aerospace

1367
00:51:35,210 --> 00:51:31,440
engineering the British weapon

1368
00:51:36,890 --> 00:51:35,220
manufacturer and so I saw he he deleted

1369
00:51:39,710 --> 00:51:36,900
the name but I could still see it was

1370
00:51:43,069 --> 00:51:39,720
coming from a senior weapons analyst in

1371
00:51:44,870 --> 00:51:43,079
Bae Aerospace and then I realized that

1372
00:51:48,650 --> 00:51:44,880
my pictures they were not only going

1373
00:51:52,069 --> 00:51:48,660
viral among the UFO community and uh the

1374
00:51:54,109 --> 00:51:52,079
the pilot Community but they have been

1375
00:51:56,690 --> 00:51:54,119
taking very serious by by weapon

1376
00:51:59,450 --> 00:51:56,700
analysts and uh that was pretty cool so

1377
00:52:01,430 --> 00:51:59,460
I realized that my uh pictures sometimes

1378
00:52:02,809 --> 00:52:01,440
taken from the air are really valuable

1379
00:52:05,270 --> 00:52:02,819
because I'm sitting in a unique position

1380
00:52:06,950 --> 00:52:05,280
so you can imagine the jokes around the

1381
00:52:08,990 --> 00:52:06,960
The Breakfast Table among all the pilots

1382
00:52:10,490 --> 00:52:09,000
you know they're saying you know Obama

1383
00:52:13,430 --> 00:52:10,500
just wakes up and the first thing he

1384
00:52:15,410 --> 00:52:13,440
gets on his desk uh is a briefing

1385
00:52:18,890 --> 00:52:15,420
package with the red lights uh taken by

1386
00:52:20,930 --> 00:52:18,900
Dutch Pilots so um yeah this was the red

1387
00:52:23,270 --> 00:52:20,940
lights uh incident and it's it really

1388
00:52:25,130 --> 00:52:23,280
showed me uh not only how some things

1389
00:52:26,569 --> 00:52:25,140
can be explained very projectly because

1390
00:52:29,569 --> 00:52:26,579
I I was I was going through many

1391
00:52:31,730 --> 00:52:29,579
theories myself uh and in the end it

1392
00:52:33,710 --> 00:52:31,740
just it just happened to be a stupid

1393
00:52:35,569 --> 00:52:33,720
fishing fleet but it showed also to me

1394
00:52:37,790 --> 00:52:35,579
that a lot of people are are interested

1395
00:52:40,910 --> 00:52:37,800
in in these kind of sightings so it was

1396
00:52:43,250 --> 00:52:40,920
kind of um encouraging uh to me yeah

1397
00:52:44,809 --> 00:52:43,260
absolutely yes as a large note before we

1398
00:52:46,549 --> 00:52:44,819
continue

1399
00:52:47,690 --> 00:52:46,559
um initially as I said before I was

1400
00:52:51,230 --> 00:52:47,700
really afraid that my colleagues were

1401
00:52:54,589 --> 00:52:51,240
actually make fun of me or or try to

1402
00:52:57,589 --> 00:52:54,599
radicalize it far from it far from it

1403
00:52:58,790 --> 00:52:57,599
and this incident triggered a lot of a

1404
00:53:01,250 --> 00:52:58,800
lot of my colleagues to come forward

1405
00:53:02,329 --> 00:53:01,260
with their own stories as well

1406
00:53:04,670 --> 00:53:02,339
um

1407
00:53:05,809 --> 00:53:04,680
I I have to leave it up to my colleagues

1408
00:53:08,390 --> 00:53:05,819
to come forward with their own

1409
00:53:09,950 --> 00:53:08,400
testimonies Etc but some of the stories

1410
00:53:11,930 --> 00:53:09,960
that some of my colleagues and I'm

1411
00:53:15,650 --> 00:53:11,940
talking about really experienced Pilots

1412
00:53:17,450 --> 00:53:15,660
have told me are baffling absolutely

1413
00:53:19,250 --> 00:53:17,460
baffling and

1414
00:53:21,950 --> 00:53:19,260
um

1415
00:53:23,569 --> 00:53:21,960
yeah it's uh it doesn't really help

1416
00:53:25,849 --> 00:53:23,579
anything for the conversation if I start

1417
00:53:27,890 --> 00:53:25,859
at all and tell tell those stories but

1418
00:53:30,170 --> 00:53:27,900
it showed to me that a lot of Pilots are

1419
00:53:32,030 --> 00:53:30,180
seeing stuff and I think it's in a sense

1420
00:53:32,750 --> 00:53:32,040
it was it was nice to see people opening

1421
00:53:34,309 --> 00:53:32,760
up

1422
00:53:37,730 --> 00:53:34,319
yeah absolutely and it's good to know

1423
00:53:39,950 --> 00:53:37,740
that it is happening and you know

1424
00:53:41,990 --> 00:53:39,960
anyone's welcome to come forward and I

1425
00:53:44,329 --> 00:53:42,000
appreciate that some have many reasons

1426
00:53:45,829 --> 00:53:44,339
why they don't want to but you know and

1427
00:53:48,470 --> 00:53:45,839
if you ever mention it they're always

1428
00:53:50,630 --> 00:53:48,480
welcome here we can always talk a lot

1429
00:53:52,790 --> 00:53:50,640
beforehand so you know I always like to

1430
00:53:56,690 --> 00:53:52,800
put that out there so thank you for that

1431
00:53:59,990 --> 00:53:56,700
yeah uh yeah moving on

1432
00:54:04,190 --> 00:54:00,000
um we've got the space debris

1433
00:54:06,109 --> 00:54:04,200
which these photographs are crazy

1434
00:54:08,210 --> 00:54:06,119
and this is also something that's been

1435
00:54:10,190 --> 00:54:08,220
seen more and more often since

1436
00:54:12,650 --> 00:54:10,200
um more and more space debris is

1437
00:54:14,329 --> 00:54:12,660
basically burning up nowadays

1438
00:54:16,010 --> 00:54:14,339
um and I've seen

1439
00:54:18,530 --> 00:54:16,020
um yeah exactly I've seen quite a lot of

1440
00:54:20,690 --> 00:54:18,540
posts on social media here and there of

1441
00:54:23,870 --> 00:54:20,700
uh moving images of this space debris

1442
00:54:25,250 --> 00:54:23,880
and it looks absolutely uh mesmerizing

1443
00:54:27,049 --> 00:54:25,260
but a lot of people are immediately

1444
00:54:29,809 --> 00:54:27,059
jumping to conclusions like oh this is

1445
00:54:32,150 --> 00:54:29,819
starlink uh this is this is aliens this

1446
00:54:34,609 --> 00:54:32,160
is UFOs and this is really something

1447
00:54:36,349 --> 00:54:34,619
very mundane uh it's basically an old

1448
00:54:39,290 --> 00:54:36,359
rocket part burning up in the upper

1449
00:54:41,450 --> 00:54:39,300
atmosphere I never expected this one it

1450
00:54:43,809 --> 00:54:41,460
was really cool we were flying uh let me

1451
00:54:47,150 --> 00:54:43,819
see it was May 28th

1452
00:54:49,309 --> 00:54:47,160
2017 we were flying uh between Africa

1453
00:54:52,430 --> 00:54:49,319
and South America in the Mid-Atlantic

1454
00:54:54,770 --> 00:54:52,440
ocean and uh as you can see you know I

1455
00:54:56,450 --> 00:54:54,780
had a camera already ready to capture

1456
00:54:58,910 --> 00:54:56,460
the Milky Way and some shooting stars

1457
00:55:01,250 --> 00:54:58,920
and we were talking about the universe

1458
00:55:03,170 --> 00:55:01,260
and all kinds of funny things and all of

1459
00:55:05,210 --> 00:55:03,180
a sudden from the corner of my eye I was

1460
00:55:06,890 --> 00:55:05,220
sitting on the right hand seat uh from

1461
00:55:08,870 --> 00:55:06,900
the corner of my eye I see we're being

1462
00:55:10,430 --> 00:55:08,880
overtaken by another airplane and this

1463
00:55:13,010 --> 00:55:10,440
shouldn't be because we're completely

1464
00:55:14,150 --> 00:55:13,020
alone over the ocean yeah instantly I

1465
00:55:15,770 --> 00:55:14,160
realized wait a minute there's something

1466
00:55:17,690 --> 00:55:15,780
going on because it's much higher than

1467
00:55:19,670 --> 00:55:17,700
we are and it's glowing and there's

1468
00:55:22,130 --> 00:55:19,680
something something off here and I was

1469
00:55:24,230 --> 00:55:22,140
looking at it and this is a 30 second

1470
00:55:26,809 --> 00:55:24,240
exposure so

1471
00:55:30,770 --> 00:55:26,819
um it shows it as a blurry long line but

1472
00:55:34,069 --> 00:55:30,780
it was like a big bowl of of

1473
00:55:35,990 --> 00:55:34,079
uh yeah a glowing ball with all all

1474
00:55:37,670 --> 00:55:36,000
sorts of debris and parts

1475
00:55:39,650 --> 00:55:37,680
um falling off and burning up in the

1476
00:55:42,109 --> 00:55:39,660
ocean as it went along it was really

1477
00:55:45,109 --> 00:55:42,119
cool to see and unfortunately we both

1478
00:55:47,510 --> 00:55:45,119
immediately identified it as as some

1479
00:55:49,670 --> 00:55:47,520
space debris burning up we had no clue

1480
00:55:51,530 --> 00:55:49,680
what it was and it was visible for about

1481
00:55:53,870 --> 00:55:51,540
one and a half minutes and it was just

1482
00:55:57,650 --> 00:55:53,880
going over the uh across the Horizon and

1483
00:55:58,970 --> 00:55:57,660
burning up in the atmosphere and um this

1484
00:56:01,430 --> 00:55:58,980
was pretty cool

1485
00:56:02,930 --> 00:56:01,440
um it took me about a week to get the uh

1486
00:56:04,670 --> 00:56:02,940
the final answer on what kind of space

1487
00:56:05,630 --> 00:56:04,680
debris it was and there was one

1488
00:56:07,190 --> 00:56:05,640
gentleman

1489
00:56:09,950 --> 00:56:07,200
um I should have written down his name I

1490
00:56:12,069 --> 00:56:09,960
forgot his name uh but as a hobby he is

1491
00:56:13,970 --> 00:56:12,079
he's tracking all sorts of space debris

1492
00:56:16,309 --> 00:56:13,980
uh and

1493
00:56:18,650 --> 00:56:16,319
um he he saw my pictures he contacted me

1494
00:56:21,650 --> 00:56:18,660
and he said well this really resembles

1495
00:56:24,349 --> 00:56:21,660
the Chinese rocket booster from

1496
00:56:26,329 --> 00:56:24,359
whatever which was uh launched five or

1497
00:56:28,670 --> 00:56:26,339
six years earlier and it was just

1498
00:56:30,770 --> 00:56:28,680
orbiting the Earth and basically it's a

1499
00:56:33,109 --> 00:56:30,780
matter of time before it's it slowly

1500
00:56:36,530 --> 00:56:33,119
starts descending towards uh

1501
00:56:38,150 --> 00:56:36,540
uh uh parts of the atmosphere where it's

1502
00:56:40,190 --> 00:56:38,160
getting more and more friction and

1503
00:56:42,170 --> 00:56:40,200
eventually burning up in in maybe two or

1504
00:56:45,109 --> 00:56:42,180
three minutes time and it's impossible

1505
00:56:47,569 --> 00:56:45,119
to say where it will exactly um hit the

1506
00:56:49,309 --> 00:56:47,579
uh the point that starts breaking up or

1507
00:56:51,049 --> 00:56:49,319
burning up because it's just so

1508
00:56:54,470 --> 00:56:51,059
unpredictable with tumbling around and

1509
00:56:56,329 --> 00:56:54,480
Atmospheric uh changes so

1510
00:56:59,030 --> 00:56:56,339
um yeah it was identified I could almost

1511
00:57:01,849 --> 00:56:59,040
identify the type of uh the type of

1512
00:57:03,410 --> 00:57:01,859
Rocket it was and uh that was it and I

1513
00:57:05,210 --> 00:57:03,420
took this picture just after the

1514
00:57:08,030 --> 00:57:05,220
incident this is the instruments the

1515
00:57:10,910 --> 00:57:08,040
navigation display and on the lower uh

1516
00:57:13,670 --> 00:57:10,920
left hand corner you see the GPS

1517
00:57:17,089 --> 00:57:13,680
coordinates as well just trying to say

1518
00:57:20,150 --> 00:57:17,099
you logged it right yeah exactly yeah

1519
00:57:21,710 --> 00:57:20,160
that's interesting it kind of links into

1520
00:57:23,270 --> 00:57:21,720
a degree with this question from blue

1521
00:57:25,309 --> 00:57:23,280
eyes and thank you for the five dollar

1522
00:57:27,230 --> 00:57:25,319
donation and becoming a member blue eyes

1523
00:57:28,790 --> 00:57:27,240
thank you so much he's asking if you've

1524
00:57:32,390 --> 00:57:28,800
confirmed any of the sightings with

1525
00:57:37,609 --> 00:57:36,109
um no no uh unfortunately not uh in the

1526
00:57:39,410 --> 00:57:37,619
sense that I've asked many radio

1527
00:57:42,349 --> 00:57:39,420
operators or air traffic controllers if

1528
00:57:43,849 --> 00:57:42,359
they see anything on radar uh we will go

1529
00:57:47,930 --> 00:57:43,859
in more detail with the latest with the

1530
00:57:49,010 --> 00:57:47,940
last case uh this the case of Spain

1531
00:57:49,990 --> 00:57:49,020
um because that's actually an

1532
00:57:53,510 --> 00:57:50,000
interesting

1533
00:57:57,530 --> 00:57:53,520
story about air traffic controllers the

1534
00:58:00,190 --> 00:57:57,540
big point is people have to realize that

1535
00:58:02,870 --> 00:58:00,200
nowadays Air Traffic Control both

1536
00:58:05,630 --> 00:58:02,880
military and civil I think it's also

1537
00:58:07,910 --> 00:58:05,640
military they use a system that's not

1538
00:58:11,089 --> 00:58:07,920
using primary radar so in the old days

1539
00:58:13,609 --> 00:58:11,099
let's say the the the first years of of

1540
00:58:15,109 --> 00:58:13,619
radar usage they were using a radar

1541
00:58:17,630 --> 00:58:15,119
signal and every time it was bouncing

1542
00:58:19,670 --> 00:58:17,640
back from an object there was like a a

1543
00:58:21,470 --> 00:58:19,680
ping there was something showing up on

1544
00:58:23,150 --> 00:58:21,480
the radar display nowadays because

1545
00:58:24,710 --> 00:58:23,160
there's so much clutter there are birds

1546
00:58:27,109 --> 00:58:24,720
it's whether it's like there's so much

1547
00:58:29,329 --> 00:58:27,119
stuff going on

1548
00:58:31,430 --> 00:58:29,339
um modern air traffic control works with

1549
00:58:34,010 --> 00:58:31,440
a with a radar that's sending out a

1550
00:58:35,690 --> 00:58:34,020
signal and the moments that the

1551
00:58:38,270 --> 00:58:35,700
transponder in the airplane

1552
00:58:40,370 --> 00:58:38,280
received a signal it sends all day all

1553
00:58:42,410 --> 00:58:40,380
sorts of data back and only those kind

1554
00:58:44,270 --> 00:58:42,420
of radar responses are being plotted on

1555
00:58:46,190 --> 00:58:44,280
the radar chart so nowadays an air

1556
00:58:48,289 --> 00:58:46,200
traffic controller they do not have an

1557
00:58:50,329 --> 00:58:48,299
old radar display that shows all the

1558
00:58:52,270 --> 00:58:50,339
objects in the sky it just shows the uh

1559
00:58:54,530 --> 00:58:52,280
the airplanes with the specific

1560
00:58:56,690 --> 00:58:54,540
transponder setting back on the radar

1561
00:58:58,609 --> 00:58:56,700
display and this is very important to

1562
00:59:00,950 --> 00:58:58,619
keep in mind because the radar operator

1563
00:59:04,490 --> 00:59:00,960
like an air traffic controller

1564
00:59:07,010 --> 00:59:04,500
um they probably don't see any uh any

1565
00:59:09,470 --> 00:59:07,020
objects in the in the airspace that

1566
00:59:11,870 --> 00:59:09,480
don't have a man-made Aviation approved

1567
00:59:13,609 --> 00:59:11,880
transponder I think it might be

1568
00:59:15,589 --> 00:59:13,619
different for military operators and I

1569
00:59:17,450 --> 00:59:15,599
think we've seen also with Testaments

1570
00:59:21,710 --> 00:59:17,460
from Kamala David Shriver and the Navy

1571
00:59:24,650 --> 00:59:21,720
incidents uh that is by two Radars they

1572
00:59:26,510 --> 00:59:24,660
were picking up objects uh from the uh I

1573
00:59:28,849 --> 00:59:26,520
think it was a radar ceiling 80 000 feet

1574
00:59:30,530 --> 00:59:28,859
up to sea level so these kind of Radars

1575
00:59:32,150 --> 00:59:30,540
are very sophisticated and they work on

1576
00:59:37,069 --> 00:59:32,160
a completely different

1577
00:59:38,930 --> 00:59:37,079
um uh uh system logic uh so I cannot say

1578
00:59:41,990 --> 00:59:38,940
anything about military aircraft Raiders

1579
00:59:43,609 --> 00:59:42,000
but uh normally Air Traffic Control they

1580
00:59:46,849 --> 00:59:43,619
can only say if they're aware of

1581
00:59:48,530 --> 00:59:46,859
military traffic going on so yeah that's

1582
00:59:50,630 --> 00:59:48,540
that's kind of a useless Source but at

1583
00:59:53,690 --> 00:59:50,640
least sometimes it can confirm there's

1584
00:59:54,890 --> 00:59:53,700
some man-made equipments flying around

1585
00:59:58,130 --> 00:59:54,900
playing around

1586
01:00:02,030 --> 00:59:58,140
yeah absolutely I appreciate that so

1587
01:00:04,490 --> 01:00:02,040
let's move on to the ICBM launch if

1588
01:00:06,289 --> 01:00:04,500
that's all right yeah I'll just quickly

1589
01:00:08,150 --> 01:00:06,299
say thank you Shelley again for the ten

1590
01:00:09,950 --> 01:00:08,160
dollars you guys are awesome so generous

1591
01:00:11,569 --> 01:00:09,960
thank you so much

1592
01:00:13,609 --> 01:00:11,579
um right let me bring up these oh

1593
01:00:15,049 --> 01:00:13,619
Christopher plain how's it going

1594
01:00:16,609 --> 01:00:15,059
there you go military still use

1595
01:00:19,130 --> 01:00:16,619
traditional radar that plots all

1596
01:00:20,450 --> 01:00:19,140
physical objects they see awesome thank

1597
01:00:21,530 --> 01:00:20,460
you for clarifying good to see you

1598
01:00:24,410 --> 01:00:21,540
Christopher

1599
01:00:27,230 --> 01:00:24,420
right yes what we got did I say it's the

1600
01:00:29,030 --> 01:00:27,240
ICBM launch and the one thing I will say

1601
01:00:30,650 --> 01:00:29,040
is that these photographs even though

1602
01:00:32,750 --> 01:00:30,660
they're Prozac explanations they're

1603
01:00:35,329 --> 01:00:32,760
still absolutely stunning looking at

1604
01:00:36,650 --> 01:00:35,339
those Cloud Fields uh star Fields sorry

1605
01:00:39,109 --> 01:00:36,660
it's just

1606
01:00:41,569 --> 01:00:39,119
phenomenal and this is certainly bizarre

1607
01:00:44,690 --> 01:00:41,579
let's bring this one up and then you can

1608
01:00:51,230 --> 01:00:47,150
yeah

1609
01:00:54,109 --> 01:00:51,240
from Google Earth literally placed on

1610
01:00:59,809 --> 01:00:56,809
yeah this was pretty cool uh this was

1611
01:01:01,150 --> 01:00:59,819
over uh northern China and this was a

1612
01:01:04,130 --> 01:01:01,160
plant

1613
01:01:05,690 --> 01:01:04,140
Rockets test and we knew it already

1614
01:01:08,630 --> 01:01:05,700
beforehand because there was an airspace

1615
01:01:10,910 --> 01:01:08,640
closure uh just north of our route and

1616
01:01:12,470 --> 01:01:10,920
much further south of our routes so we

1617
01:01:14,829 --> 01:01:12,480
knew there was some

1618
01:01:17,390 --> 01:01:14,839
um some launch or some kind of uh

1619
01:01:19,069 --> 01:01:17,400
activity going on but we were really

1620
01:01:21,230 --> 01:01:19,079
surprised to actually see it popping up

1621
01:01:22,730 --> 01:01:21,240
like this so as you can see the sun was

1622
01:01:25,010 --> 01:01:22,740
already setting it was actually it was

1623
01:01:26,930 --> 01:01:25,020
already Serbia below the Horizon and

1624
01:01:28,910 --> 01:01:26,940
there was only this this glow of the

1625
01:01:32,510 --> 01:01:28,920
atmosphere left and all of a sudden we

1626
01:01:35,390 --> 01:01:32,520
saw this pin just rising up and it was

1627
01:01:37,549 --> 01:01:35,400
going pretty fast and

1628
01:01:39,109 --> 01:01:37,559
um yeah basically it was yeah there so

1629
01:01:42,109 --> 01:01:39,119
this is the first stage that's that's

1630
01:01:44,630 --> 01:01:42,119
being burning up and as it grows higher

1631
01:01:47,270 --> 01:01:44,640
and higher uh the ambient air pressure

1632
01:01:48,950 --> 01:01:47,280
is decreasing so the exhaust gases start

1633
01:01:51,289 --> 01:01:48,960
expanding and you see nowadays with

1634
01:01:53,089 --> 01:01:51,299
these SpaceX launches where you see this

1635
01:01:55,069 --> 01:01:53,099
huge Bloom it's it's basically because

1636
01:01:57,170 --> 01:01:55,079
of the very low m Ambience air pressure

1637
01:02:01,190 --> 01:01:57,180
that the plume is just expanding rapidly

1638
01:02:05,930 --> 01:02:04,010
next one

1639
01:02:09,049 --> 01:02:05,940
yeah here you see that the second stage

1640
01:02:11,150 --> 01:02:09,059
is starting the ignition already so for

1641
01:02:13,910 --> 01:02:11,160
me when I saw this with the with the two

1642
01:02:18,349 --> 01:02:13,920
different blooms uh it was clear that it

1643
01:02:19,789 --> 01:02:18,359
was uh rockets and uh yeah we we

1644
01:02:21,170 --> 01:02:19,799
immediately knew what it was and we were

1645
01:02:23,930 --> 01:02:21,180
just enjoying the view because it was

1646
01:02:26,510 --> 01:02:23,940
pretty cool to see yeah absolutely and

1647
01:02:28,430 --> 01:02:26,520
is this uh Cloud layer here yep Cloud

1648
01:02:29,870 --> 01:02:28,440
layer it's just hidden in the shadows

1649
01:02:32,569 --> 01:02:29,880
because it's basically already nights

1650
01:02:34,130 --> 01:02:32,579
and the only lights that we see is uh is

1651
01:02:35,450 --> 01:02:34,140
is from the Sun that's already behind

1652
01:02:37,609 --> 01:02:35,460
the horizon

1653
01:02:40,549 --> 01:02:37,619
uh it is like you said it's absolutely

1654
01:02:42,710 --> 01:02:40,559
stunning to to look at so

1655
01:02:44,270 --> 01:02:42,720
yeah I suppose if you knew that straight

1656
01:02:46,250 --> 01:02:44,280
away you know there's not much to sort

1657
01:02:47,930 --> 01:02:46,260
of sort of follow up on that one but

1658
01:02:49,789 --> 01:02:47,940
yeah that's good then that you actually

1659
01:02:51,589 --> 01:02:49,799
are told in advance of things that are

1660
01:02:53,450 --> 01:02:51,599
happening nearby whether it be ICBM

1661
01:02:54,530 --> 01:02:53,460
launches and Rocket tests and things

1662
01:02:56,630 --> 01:02:54,540
like that you always get that

1663
01:02:59,089 --> 01:02:56,640
information so that's really handy yeah

1664
01:03:00,950 --> 01:02:59,099
yeah yeah even though sometimes uh the

1665
01:03:02,990 --> 01:03:00,960
briefing package of of no terms which is

1666
01:03:04,789 --> 01:03:03,000
almost like this big so you go through

1667
01:03:06,230 --> 01:03:04,799
it a little bit yeah okay okay we found

1668
01:03:08,150 --> 01:03:06,240
out and sometimes you miss something

1669
01:03:09,650 --> 01:03:08,160
because basically what we look for is

1670
01:03:11,809 --> 01:03:09,660
all the information that's relevant to

1671
01:03:13,549 --> 01:03:11,819
our flight path and Route and uh

1672
01:03:14,690 --> 01:03:13,559
sometimes with rocket launches like

1673
01:03:16,190 --> 01:03:14,700
these

1674
01:03:17,569 --> 01:03:16,200
um they're in a in a no-time package

1675
01:03:19,430 --> 01:03:17,579
your briefing package just that's

1676
01:03:21,349 --> 01:03:19,440
talking about a completely different

1677
01:03:23,930 --> 01:03:21,359
country where we're not even flying so

1678
01:03:25,309 --> 01:03:23,940
sometimes I'm not always reading up on

1679
01:03:27,490 --> 01:03:25,319
all the notes apps but in this case it

1680
01:03:32,990 --> 01:03:27,500
was a it was a clear case of uh

1681
01:03:36,829 --> 01:03:35,150
and one thing we've not really gone into

1682
01:03:39,170 --> 01:03:36,839
so far is the kind of equipment that

1683
01:03:40,670 --> 01:03:39,180
you've been using camera wise so so far

1684
01:03:42,410 --> 01:03:40,680
we've obviously had the red light over

1685
01:03:44,089 --> 01:03:42,420
the Pacific the space debris and then

1686
01:03:47,210 --> 01:03:44,099
this ICBM launch so what kind of cameras

1687
01:03:48,770 --> 01:03:47,220
were you using and lenses as well

1688
01:03:50,450 --> 01:03:48,780
um I'm not sure if I can mention the

1689
01:03:53,410 --> 01:03:50,460
brand but I'll just do it anyway

1690
01:03:56,630 --> 01:03:53,420
um I'm solely using uh using Nikon Nikon

1691
01:03:58,549 --> 01:03:56,640
and I started uh basically from the time

1692
01:04:02,270 --> 01:03:58,559
I was flying in Afghanistan Etc with the

1693
01:04:04,730 --> 01:04:02,280
d80 which is a very small DSLR camera

1694
01:04:09,289 --> 01:04:04,740
um and um over the years I upgraded from

1695
01:04:12,250 --> 01:04:09,299
the d80 to the d200s to the d800s d850

1696
01:04:16,010 --> 01:04:12,260
and now I'm using the z7 z7

1697
01:04:17,930 --> 01:04:16,020
which is a mirrorless high-end camera

1698
01:04:20,930 --> 01:04:17,940
really some of the best actually there

1699
01:04:23,210 --> 01:04:20,940
are and I'm using uh mostly uh

1700
01:04:25,490 --> 01:04:23,220
professional uh high grade lenses so I'm

1701
01:04:27,230 --> 01:04:25,500
using 2.8 lenses sometimes I take

1702
01:04:29,329 --> 01:04:27,240
pictures with the fisheye like the the

1703
01:04:32,569 --> 01:04:29,339
rocket debris burning up and also the

1704
01:04:35,630 --> 01:04:32,579
red lights I took with the 10.5 uh 2.8

1705
01:04:36,770 --> 01:04:35,640
millimeter uh which is the extreme wide

1706
01:04:39,650 --> 01:04:36,780
angle lens

1707
01:04:41,270 --> 01:04:39,660
um and I'm mostly using the 1424 wide

1708
01:04:43,490 --> 01:04:41,280
angle lens for the AV for the

1709
01:04:45,950 --> 01:04:43,500
photography nerds it's it's probably no

1710
01:04:48,890 --> 01:04:45,960
material uh but it's it's a really great

1711
01:04:51,829 --> 01:04:48,900
stuff and I also carry the 70s or

1712
01:04:53,750 --> 01:04:51,839
another 24 17 millimeter 2.8 with me

1713
01:04:56,089 --> 01:04:53,760
the big problem is with photography from

1714
01:04:58,069 --> 01:04:56,099
the cockpits uh we have to take pictures

1715
01:05:00,589 --> 01:04:58,079
through really really thick layered

1716
01:05:03,710 --> 01:05:00,599
cloths sometimes six layers

1717
01:05:05,270 --> 01:05:03,720
um and it's like uh it's impossible to

1718
01:05:06,890 --> 01:05:05,280
get sharp pictures if you zoom in too

1719
01:05:08,809 --> 01:05:06,900
far which

1720
01:05:10,190 --> 01:05:08,819
um when I started taking pictures from

1721
01:05:11,750 --> 01:05:10,200
the cockpit was a was a huge

1722
01:05:13,370 --> 01:05:11,760
disappointment because there's so many

1723
01:05:15,049 --> 01:05:13,380
beautiful things to see especially

1724
01:05:17,630 --> 01:05:15,059
mountain ridges in the background Etc

1725
01:05:19,370 --> 01:05:17,640
but I basically forced myself to use

1726
01:05:21,289 --> 01:05:19,380
wide angle lenses

1727
01:05:24,710 --> 01:05:21,299
because we're using wide-angle lenses

1728
01:05:26,329 --> 01:05:24,720
you you avoid a distortion on the uh of

1729
01:05:28,430 --> 01:05:26,339
the windows

1730
01:05:29,930 --> 01:05:28,440
um so long story short I'm using these

1731
01:05:33,470 --> 01:05:29,940
wide angle lenses to take pictures from

1732
01:05:36,170 --> 01:05:33,480
the cockpit and uh uh um yeah that's

1733
01:05:37,910 --> 01:05:36,180
that's the equipment I carry with me now

1734
01:05:40,309 --> 01:05:37,920
yeah and I will just reiterate to

1735
01:05:42,109 --> 01:05:40,319
everybody to please go and check out uh

1736
01:05:43,849 --> 01:05:42,119
Christian's Instagram accounts and that

1737
01:05:46,010 --> 01:05:43,859
where he puts so many beautiful and

1738
01:05:47,990 --> 01:05:46,020
stunning photographs uh before we jump

1739
01:05:50,750 --> 01:05:48,000
on to this next case I thought this one

1740
01:05:53,870 --> 01:05:50,760
was uh kind of amusing it says publish a

1741
01:05:56,329 --> 01:05:53,880
book well you know you've I think you've

1742
01:05:58,630 --> 01:05:56,339
got two books out haven't you uh yeah

1743
01:06:01,549 --> 01:05:58,640
actually the first book came out in

1744
01:06:04,370 --> 01:06:01,559
2016. it's called cargo pilots uh

1745
01:06:07,910 --> 01:06:04,380
because uh a flying cargo uh and it was

1746
01:06:10,329 --> 01:06:07,920
it was funny I met my uh uh my the

1747
01:06:13,130 --> 01:06:10,339
author of my book um uh

1748
01:06:15,170 --> 01:06:13,140
and um only later I realized he wasn't

1749
01:06:16,970 --> 01:06:15,180
uh sorry I met the publisher of my book

1750
01:06:19,370 --> 01:06:16,980
and only later I realized he was a

1751
01:06:20,990 --> 01:06:19,380
publisher and he told me

1752
01:06:22,609 --> 01:06:21,000
um you know actually you have so many

1753
01:06:24,710 --> 01:06:22,619
cool stories let's make a book about it

1754
01:06:25,730 --> 01:06:24,720
the problem is I expect there will be an

1755
01:06:30,470 --> 01:06:25,740
audience

1756
01:06:31,970 --> 01:06:30,480
nerds that might be interested in it but

1757
01:06:33,770 --> 01:06:31,980
let's let's just go for it because he's

1758
01:06:35,390 --> 01:06:33,780
a publisher

1759
01:06:37,910 --> 01:06:35,400
um uh in a niche market of Aviation

1760
01:06:41,329 --> 01:06:37,920
books so we came up with a great design

1761
01:06:42,589 --> 01:06:41,339
uh and the book was selling like crazy I

1762
01:06:45,289 --> 01:06:42,599
think it's already in the fifth print

1763
01:06:47,210 --> 01:06:45,299
run now and since I upgraded to uh

1764
01:06:48,890 --> 01:06:47,220
Captain last year we decided to make the

1765
01:06:51,170 --> 01:06:48,900
fifth printer and the the captain's

1766
01:06:53,089 --> 01:06:51,180
Edition which is out now and it

1767
01:06:54,890 --> 01:06:53,099
basically covers

1768
01:06:56,990 --> 01:06:54,900
um my whole career from flying the

1769
01:06:58,970 --> 01:06:57,000
in Afghanistan and Africa all the

1770
01:07:01,609 --> 01:06:58,980
way to Flying to 747 and is mainly

1771
01:07:04,309 --> 01:07:01,619
focusing on flying to 747 the airplane

1772
01:07:06,589 --> 01:07:04,319
the destinations the the the clouds the

1773
01:07:08,089 --> 01:07:06,599
Northern Lights you name it and also one

1774
01:07:10,490 --> 01:07:08,099
chapter is dedicated to the red lights

1775
01:07:11,630 --> 01:07:10,500
of the Pacific and keep in mind it was

1776
01:07:14,170 --> 01:07:11,640
written the moment we were still

1777
01:07:16,309 --> 01:07:14,180
wondering what it was so

1778
01:07:17,750 --> 01:07:16,319
the new edition will actually come up

1779
01:07:19,910 --> 01:07:17,760
with a with a solution of the fishing

1780
01:07:22,569 --> 01:07:19,920
fleet but yeah the book is out and

1781
01:07:24,710 --> 01:07:22,579
actually as we speak I'm I'm

1782
01:07:27,289 --> 01:07:24,720
busy with with coming up with the new

1783
01:07:29,930 --> 01:07:27,299
book because uh I want to expand my my

1784
01:07:31,789 --> 01:07:29,940
photography into uh

1785
01:07:33,770 --> 01:07:31,799
um yeah into more books and stuff but

1786
01:07:36,349 --> 01:07:33,780
it's it takes so much time and and

1787
01:07:38,210 --> 01:07:36,359
energy and uh it's it's it's it's it's

1788
01:07:41,390 --> 01:07:38,220
the two things I really like right now

1789
01:07:43,130 --> 01:07:41,400
but uh yeah it will uh it will come up

1790
01:07:44,630 --> 01:07:43,140
in the future but uh one one book is

1791
01:07:46,730 --> 01:07:44,640
already out and people can find it on my

1792
01:07:49,130 --> 01:07:46,740
webshop if they want to but I don't want

1793
01:07:50,870 --> 01:07:49,140
to talk about these kind of um uh things

1794
01:07:52,730 --> 01:07:50,880
like books Etc because I don't want to

1795
01:07:54,170 --> 01:07:52,740
muddy the waters and I just want to in

1796
01:07:57,109 --> 01:07:54,180
this interview at least I just want to

1797
01:07:59,270 --> 01:07:57,119
focus on the on the anomalies and the uh

1798
01:08:01,670 --> 01:07:59,280
the weird and interesting things that we

1799
01:08:03,349 --> 01:08:01,680
sometimes see in the uh in the air I

1800
01:08:04,789 --> 01:08:03,359
understand completely I understand yeah

1801
01:08:08,450 --> 01:08:04,799
I just want I just mentioned it because

1802
01:08:10,609 --> 01:08:08,460
that comment was like yeah so yeah let's

1803
01:08:17,030 --> 01:08:10,619
move on then um

1804
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:19,970
go for it

1805
01:08:24,470 --> 01:08:22,789
yeah this is an interesting one as well

1806
01:08:27,229 --> 01:08:24,480
um actually because it's so uh

1807
01:08:30,530 --> 01:08:27,239
underwhelming

1808
01:08:32,749 --> 01:08:30,540
um the picture was taken April 5th 2020

1809
01:08:35,990 --> 01:08:32,759
over the North Atlantic

1810
01:08:37,970 --> 01:08:36,000
um and um I was I think during that

1811
01:08:40,669 --> 01:08:37,980
flight alone I took maybe 50 or 60

1812
01:08:42,890 --> 01:08:40,679
pictures uh this is the raw picture as

1813
01:08:44,990 --> 01:08:42,900
it came from my camera and I just put

1814
01:08:46,789 --> 01:08:45,000
them on my uh on my computer and I never

1815
01:08:49,249 --> 01:08:46,799
had time to look at them anymore until

1816
01:08:50,870 --> 01:08:49,259
about I think six months or seven months

1817
01:08:52,910 --> 01:08:50,880
ago and I was going through these

1818
01:08:55,370 --> 01:08:52,920
pictures with the moon and I was I was

1819
01:08:57,349 --> 01:08:55,380
looking for some stuff to to work on and

1820
01:09:00,110 --> 01:08:57,359
when browsing through these pictures I

1821
01:09:02,570 --> 01:09:00,120
just noticed this little light streak uh

1822
01:09:04,849 --> 01:09:02,580
in only one of those I took maybe six

1823
01:09:07,309 --> 01:09:04,859
pictures in a time span of 20 seconds

1824
01:09:09,590 --> 01:09:07,319
and this was the only one that had the

1825
01:09:11,990 --> 01:09:09,600
little uh light streak in it

1826
01:09:16,309 --> 01:09:12,000
and I think there's also one where I've

1827
01:09:20,749 --> 01:09:18,410
ah yeah

1828
01:09:22,309 --> 01:09:20,759
and um I have no clue what it was

1829
01:09:23,930 --> 01:09:22,319
because I took so many pictures after

1830
01:09:25,849 --> 01:09:23,940
each other and as I said from a whole

1831
01:09:27,169 --> 01:09:25,859
series of five or six pictures this was

1832
01:09:29,510 --> 01:09:27,179
the only one with this little light

1833
01:09:31,910 --> 01:09:29,520
streak in it uh I didn't see it with a

1834
01:09:34,309 --> 01:09:31,920
naked eye and as I said you know I only

1835
01:09:36,110 --> 01:09:34,319
only noticed it on the file two years

1836
01:09:36,890 --> 01:09:36,120
later

1837
01:09:39,289 --> 01:09:36,900
um

1838
01:09:40,669 --> 01:09:39,299
I posted it online asking my followers

1839
01:09:42,530 --> 01:09:40,679
what they think it was and a lot of

1840
01:09:45,110 --> 01:09:42,540
people already commented that it it

1841
01:09:46,970 --> 01:09:45,120
might have been a cosmic ray

1842
01:09:48,590 --> 01:09:46,980
um which which might have well been it's

1843
01:09:50,689 --> 01:09:48,600
one of those high energy particles

1844
01:09:52,910 --> 01:09:50,699
shooting through the through the the

1845
01:09:55,370 --> 01:09:52,920
universe at all times and most of them

1846
01:09:57,530 --> 01:09:55,380
are filtered out by the earth atmosphere

1847
01:10:00,590 --> 01:09:57,540
but some are actually uh coming through

1848
01:10:02,510 --> 01:10:00,600
and if they hit a sensor of a camera

1849
01:10:05,209 --> 01:10:02,520
they just show up as these little light

1850
01:10:07,790 --> 01:10:05,219
streaks and sometimes you hear it from

1851
01:10:10,430 --> 01:10:07,800
Pilots but also especially astronauts

1852
01:10:12,830 --> 01:10:10,440
that are venturing above them the

1853
01:10:14,390 --> 01:10:12,840
largest mass of the atmosphere you see

1854
01:10:16,430 --> 01:10:14,400
these little light flashes in your eyes

1855
01:10:18,110 --> 01:10:16,440
and astronauts have it more often Apollo

1856
01:10:20,149 --> 01:10:18,120
Astronauts had it a lot as well because

1857
01:10:22,729 --> 01:10:20,159
they were so far out of the uh the

1858
01:10:24,709 --> 01:10:22,739
Earth's a protective uh magnetosphere

1859
01:10:26,630 --> 01:10:24,719
but uh yeah I think it's one of those

1860
01:10:29,750 --> 01:10:26,640
particles that just just hit the sensor

1861
01:10:32,030 --> 01:10:29,760
and left This Little Light streak

1862
01:10:33,890 --> 01:10:32,040
um as we speak this image is being

1863
01:10:36,649 --> 01:10:33,900
analyzed by

1864
01:10:37,750 --> 01:10:36,659
um uh epaco I'm probably butchering the

1865
01:10:42,229 --> 01:10:37,760
different

1866
01:10:43,729 --> 01:10:42,239
is a part of uh or actually is run by

1867
01:10:46,189 --> 01:10:43,739
the same people who are working in the

1868
01:10:49,550 --> 01:10:46,199
gaipan which is the French organization

1869
01:10:51,410 --> 01:10:49,560
to identify aerial anomalies the part of

1870
01:10:55,189 --> 01:10:51,420
the the French space force the Defense

1871
01:10:57,410 --> 01:10:55,199
Force I think I'm in contact with Mr

1872
01:11:00,050 --> 01:10:57,420
Tony Cuisine yeah probably butchering

1873
01:11:01,669 --> 01:11:00,060
his name but my apologies for that

1874
01:11:03,709 --> 01:11:01,679
um he was interested in the red lights

1875
01:11:06,530 --> 01:11:03,719
already and he's now working to analyze

1876
01:11:08,570 --> 01:11:06,540
both this image and the Spanish image

1877
01:11:10,310 --> 01:11:08,580
we're going to talk about in the end uh

1878
01:11:12,770 --> 01:11:10,320
Cliffhanger

1879
01:11:15,050 --> 01:11:12,780
um but he already confirmed that it's

1880
01:11:17,270 --> 01:11:15,060
highly likely a cosmic ray but they find

1881
01:11:20,229 --> 01:11:17,280
it such a nice example that they want to

1882
01:11:23,030 --> 01:11:20,239
use this picture in their database as a

1883
01:11:25,189 --> 01:11:23,040
as a gold standard for what a cosmic ray

1884
01:11:29,390 --> 01:11:25,199
in the sky with the picture looks like

1885
01:11:31,070 --> 01:11:29,400
so a final a final analysis is being

1886
01:11:33,590 --> 01:11:31,080
done and we just have to wait for the

1887
01:11:35,930 --> 01:11:33,600
for the report to come out but I thought

1888
01:11:38,149 --> 01:11:35,940
it was interesting to show because some

1889
01:11:41,689 --> 01:11:38,159
people might just jump to conclusions

1890
01:11:45,229 --> 01:11:41,699
and say oh it's it's aliens or it's uh I

1891
01:11:47,149 --> 01:11:45,239
don't know uh UFOs but I think it's uh

1892
01:11:49,550 --> 01:11:47,159
it's also good to include those those

1893
01:11:51,950 --> 01:11:49,560
very mundane uh anomalies from camera

1894
01:11:53,950 --> 01:11:51,960
sensors as well yeah absolutely you know

1895
01:11:58,610 --> 01:11:53,960
it's a beautiful image absolutely so

1896
01:11:59,870 --> 01:11:58,620
fantastic let's jump across so we've got

1897
01:12:02,390 --> 01:11:59,880
two more

1898
01:12:03,770 --> 01:12:02,400
before we get to the final one

1899
01:12:06,590 --> 01:12:03,780
um

1900
01:12:08,330 --> 01:12:06,600
diffuse light over Germany a moving

1901
01:12:09,950 --> 01:12:08,340
light now I think this is the one that

1902
01:12:11,930 --> 01:12:09,960
we've got a video for as well that

1903
01:12:13,970 --> 01:12:11,940
you've shared with me on on YouTube is

1904
01:12:17,330 --> 01:12:13,980
that the one yeah

1905
01:12:19,669 --> 01:12:17,340
so let's uh Johnny let's watch the

1906
01:12:22,010 --> 01:12:19,679
video first sorry everyone I've got

1907
01:12:24,470 --> 01:12:22,020
multiple screens so I'm flip-flopping

1908
01:12:33,830 --> 01:12:24,480
from all sides of the thing

1909
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:38,209
is a yeah

1910
01:12:45,290 --> 01:12:42,709
this is a series of uh maybe uh 30 or 40

1911
01:12:48,290 --> 01:12:45,300
pictures I took with a wide angle lens

1912
01:12:50,630 --> 01:12:48,300
uh basically letting it wrestle the

1913
01:12:52,490 --> 01:12:50,640
glare Shield against the front window of

1914
01:12:54,350 --> 01:12:52,500
the airplane so the black part you see

1915
01:12:55,970 --> 01:12:54,360
on the right hands and the lower corner

1916
01:12:58,910 --> 01:12:55,980
is basically the the nose of the

1917
01:13:01,070 --> 01:12:58,920
airplane and the window frame and um all

1918
01:13:02,689 --> 01:13:01,080
of a sudden we saw this yeah this is a

1919
01:13:04,850 --> 01:13:02,699
nice indication of how I position my

1920
01:13:06,709 --> 01:13:04,860
camera uh those are the instruments

1921
01:13:09,950 --> 01:13:06,719
below and that's my camera just pointing

1922
01:13:11,689 --> 01:13:09,960
up and uh I always call it a fire and

1923
01:13:13,330 --> 01:13:11,699
forget camera so I just press a button

1924
01:13:17,270 --> 01:13:13,340
and I'll just let it take 50 pictures

1925
01:13:19,610 --> 01:13:17,280
and hopefully there's a shooting star or

1926
01:13:21,709 --> 01:13:19,620
uh or a nice Milky Way visible in the

1927
01:13:23,630 --> 01:13:21,719
end so uh that's the setup and that's

1928
01:13:25,310 --> 01:13:23,640
how I took these pictures and all of a

1929
01:13:27,110 --> 01:13:25,320
sudden flying over Southern Germany we

1930
01:13:30,290 --> 01:13:27,120
saw this uh this really bright light

1931
01:13:32,270 --> 01:13:30,300
popping up from the left hand corner and

1932
01:13:34,070 --> 01:13:32,280
it was starting to Glow

1933
01:13:35,209 --> 01:13:34,080
it was Pure White by the way just a

1934
01:13:38,390 --> 01:13:35,219
white balance on the camera that's

1935
01:13:41,689 --> 01:13:38,400
making it look uh greenish

1936
01:13:43,910 --> 01:13:41,699
but the uh the light became kind of

1937
01:13:45,709 --> 01:13:43,920
diffuse and it started to Glow as it's

1938
01:13:48,890 --> 01:13:45,719
as it basically moved towards the North

1939
01:13:50,570 --> 01:13:48,900
and I've seen the ISS also millions of

1940
01:13:53,870 --> 01:13:50,580
times and I knew this was not the

1941
01:13:55,970 --> 01:13:53,880
standards orbit of the ISS

1942
01:13:57,410 --> 01:13:55,980
and we were really wondering what it was

1943
01:14:01,550 --> 01:13:57,420
because there were no notems there was

1944
01:14:04,850 --> 01:14:01,560
no message or information about any any

1945
01:14:06,350 --> 01:14:04,860
rocket launches or space debris you name

1946
01:14:08,390 --> 01:14:06,360
it

1947
01:14:09,950 --> 01:14:08,400
um so I was kind of Clueless and I was

1948
01:14:12,290 --> 01:14:09,960
really wondering what we what we saw

1949
01:14:14,450 --> 01:14:12,300
there I was pretty pretty sure and

1950
01:14:17,209 --> 01:14:14,460
convinced that what we saw was some sort

1951
01:14:19,669 --> 01:14:17,219
of a re-entry of of something especially

1952
01:14:23,270 --> 01:14:19,679
the the diffuse glow around it made me

1953
01:14:25,209 --> 01:14:23,280
uh realized it was probably a d orbit

1954
01:14:27,830 --> 01:14:25,219
like you sometimes see with SpaceX

1955
01:14:29,870 --> 01:14:27,840
boosters as well but it was on a

1956
01:14:32,630 --> 01:14:29,880
trajectory that didn't make any sense so

1957
01:14:34,550 --> 01:14:32,640
I posted it online and fortunately the

1958
01:14:37,910 --> 01:14:34,560
next day or maybe two days later there

1959
01:14:39,350 --> 01:14:37,920
was uh one gentleman uh Jonathan uh I

1960
01:14:40,850 --> 01:14:39,360
forgot his name you see it probably in

1961
01:14:42,250 --> 01:14:40,860
the next

1962
01:14:47,090 --> 01:14:42,260
yeah

1963
01:14:50,450 --> 01:14:47,100
um he wasn't even aware of my sighting

1964
01:14:54,370 --> 01:14:50,460
and he was keeping track of this angara

1965
01:14:57,290 --> 01:14:54,380
am d orbit apparently a Russian booster

1966
01:14:59,090 --> 01:14:57,300
and he drew that line that was the the

1967
01:15:02,870 --> 01:14:59,100
red line on the left that's the actual

1968
01:15:05,709 --> 01:15:02,880
track that the d-orbit made and uh it

1969
01:15:07,790 --> 01:15:05,719
completely correspondent

1970
01:15:09,110 --> 01:15:07,800
corresponds with the sighting that we

1971
01:15:11,030 --> 01:15:09,120
that we had

1972
01:15:12,649 --> 01:15:11,040
and this is also interesting because it

1973
01:15:15,729 --> 01:15:12,659
shows that we were flying over the Alps

1974
01:15:19,430 --> 01:15:15,739
just Southern Germany uh around uh

1975
01:15:21,830 --> 01:15:19,440
Austria and it kind of shows how far the

1976
01:15:23,510 --> 01:15:21,840
object is is away from us

1977
01:15:27,130 --> 01:15:23,520
um looking at the red line on the track

1978
01:15:29,990 --> 01:15:27,140
line on the uh on the European map so

1979
01:15:32,330 --> 01:15:30,000
that also shows how much we can actually

1980
01:15:34,550 --> 01:15:32,340
see from the cockpit so this object it

1981
01:15:36,410 --> 01:15:34,560
was probably what is it maybe two two

1982
01:15:39,169 --> 01:15:36,420
and a half thousand kilometers away when

1983
01:15:41,270 --> 01:15:39,179
it started to uh to de-orbit and it was

1984
01:15:44,110 --> 01:15:41,280
clearly visible to all of us in this

1985
01:15:46,490 --> 01:15:44,120
case I also contacted the um

1986
01:15:48,229 --> 01:15:46,500
air traffic controller asking if there

1987
01:15:49,850 --> 01:15:48,239
was any military activity or anything

1988
01:15:51,110 --> 01:15:49,860
going on

1989
01:15:52,970 --> 01:15:51,120
um he was not aware of any military

1990
01:15:55,430 --> 01:15:52,980
activity and he was just not not

1991
01:15:57,950 --> 01:15:55,440
interested and it makes sense because

1992
01:16:00,169 --> 01:15:57,960
the um yeah the object was so high in

1993
01:16:02,209 --> 01:16:00,179
the sky and it was a the orbit of

1994
01:16:04,370 --> 01:16:02,219
something that probably came in in the

1995
01:16:06,169 --> 01:16:04,380
ocean just around Pittsburgh or

1996
01:16:07,490 --> 01:16:06,179
something so it makes sense that the

1997
01:16:09,950 --> 01:16:07,500
German air traffic controller was not

1998
01:16:11,090 --> 01:16:09,960
aware of it yeah that's amazing it's

1999
01:16:12,950 --> 01:16:11,100
still again it's just another

2000
01:16:15,110 --> 01:16:12,960
fascinating photograph even having a

2001
01:16:19,070 --> 01:16:15,120
prosaic explanation so

2002
01:16:21,530 --> 01:16:19,080
yeah another great uh great case now one

2003
01:16:22,729 --> 01:16:21,540
more I think of the uh of these and this

2004
01:16:24,770 --> 01:16:22,739
is one that I think is quite important

2005
01:16:27,169 --> 01:16:24,780
because these often get mistaken for

2006
01:16:28,970 --> 01:16:27,179
UFOs or anomalous things and this is

2007
01:16:31,790 --> 01:16:28,980
starlink satellites

2008
01:16:33,350 --> 01:16:31,800
so we've got a couple of images here

2009
01:16:35,030 --> 01:16:33,360
so yeah if you want to talk us through

2010
01:16:36,890 --> 01:16:35,040
them I mean what's that been like since

2011
01:16:39,290 --> 01:16:36,900
they've become a thing in the sky is it

2012
01:16:42,229 --> 01:16:39,300
is it something you have seen a lot of

2013
01:16:43,669 --> 01:16:42,239
times yeah many times many times uh the

2014
01:16:47,510 --> 01:16:43,679
first time I saw them uh it was actually

2015
01:16:48,890 --> 01:16:47,520
from my old back backyard uh it's it's

2016
01:16:51,470 --> 01:16:48,900
really fascinating to know that

2017
01:16:54,229 --> 01:16:51,480
something is is so high up in the sky uh

2018
01:16:56,450 --> 01:16:54,239
and it's it looks so uh weird so there's

2019
01:16:57,649 --> 01:16:56,460
this little train of Lights

2020
01:16:59,810 --> 01:16:57,659
um then I saw them a couple of times

2021
01:17:02,930 --> 01:16:59,820
from the air as well and it's it's so

2022
01:17:04,850 --> 01:17:02,940
easy to identify them as uh as man-made

2023
01:17:06,830 --> 01:17:04,860
and as or at least as as probably

2024
01:17:08,750 --> 01:17:06,840
man-made and in this case also Starling

2025
01:17:10,850 --> 01:17:08,760
satellites it's not only the little

2026
01:17:14,090 --> 01:17:10,860
train of Lights which is uh which is

2027
01:17:16,970 --> 01:17:14,100
typical for starlink but also the speed

2028
01:17:18,770 --> 01:17:16,980
and the way they move it's uh it's

2029
01:17:21,110 --> 01:17:18,780
typical for a man-made object in low

2030
01:17:22,850 --> 01:17:21,120
earth orbits so let's say three or four

2031
01:17:25,010 --> 01:17:22,860
hundred kilometers high it's just like

2032
01:17:27,110 --> 01:17:25,020
the ISS it always moves at a constant

2033
01:17:29,330 --> 01:17:27,120
speed basically because of orbital

2034
01:17:31,250 --> 01:17:29,340
mechanics you can calculate the speeds

2035
01:17:33,410 --> 01:17:31,260
per altitude and the lowest low earth

2036
01:17:36,250 --> 01:17:33,420
stable over is around four at I think

2037
01:17:39,470 --> 01:17:36,260
350 or 450 kilometers

2038
01:17:41,870 --> 01:17:39,480
so you see on the speed and the Really

2039
01:17:44,630 --> 01:17:41,880
constant trajectory that it's a man-made

2040
01:17:46,250 --> 01:17:44,640
object in low earth orbit and uh yeah

2041
01:17:49,010 --> 01:17:46,260
it's it's uh it's a pretty common site

2042
01:17:52,010 --> 01:17:49,020
and nowadays actually in general uh the

2043
01:17:54,590 --> 01:17:52,020
satellites are are very common

2044
01:17:56,390 --> 01:17:54,600
um there are counters of satellites in

2045
01:17:59,450 --> 01:17:56,400
the air and starlink is is really one of

2046
01:18:01,790 --> 01:17:59,460
the typical ones that really show up

2047
01:18:03,950 --> 01:18:01,800
yeah a couple of times people tell me so

2048
01:18:05,810 --> 01:18:03,960
when you see something interesting from

2049
01:18:08,510 --> 01:18:05,820
the air it's just probably starlink

2050
01:18:09,830 --> 01:18:08,520
I think no well most most of the

2051
01:18:11,390 --> 01:18:09,840
interesting stuff I've seen was in the

2052
01:18:14,709 --> 01:18:11,400
beginning years of my career as long

2053
01:18:18,530 --> 01:18:14,719
before SpaceX was even found it and uh

2054
01:18:19,370 --> 01:18:18,540
for me as a as a as a pilot

2055
01:18:23,510 --> 01:18:19,380
um

2056
01:18:25,610 --> 01:18:23,520
satellites and I I know startling so

2057
01:18:28,729 --> 01:18:25,620
it's I just included these pictures just

2058
01:18:31,070 --> 01:18:28,739
to show that um there are some really uh

2059
01:18:32,810 --> 01:18:31,080
mundane and and project things as well

2060
01:18:35,270 --> 01:18:32,820
which are pretty cool as well what a way

2061
01:18:37,189 --> 01:18:35,280
to see yeah absolutely well they're

2062
01:18:38,930 --> 01:18:37,199
they're again fantastic great

2063
01:18:41,630 --> 01:18:38,940
photographs those Stars it's just the

2064
01:18:42,890 --> 01:18:41,640
beauty of it all that that is amazing to

2065
01:18:44,930 --> 01:18:42,900
look at

2066
01:18:47,149 --> 01:18:44,940
right then let's move on to this Spain

2067
01:18:50,330 --> 01:18:47,159
case because this was like you know one

2068
01:18:52,130 --> 01:18:50,340
that you really sat laid out in detail

2069
01:18:54,169 --> 01:18:52,140
um and we've had it here behind us for

2070
01:18:56,330 --> 01:18:54,179
the whole time with this very very small

2071
01:18:58,610 --> 01:18:56,340
object that you can see here a little

2072
01:19:01,669 --> 01:18:58,620
Easter egg a little Easter egg yeah and

2073
01:19:03,169 --> 01:19:01,679
I put out the photograph today on my on

2074
01:19:04,729 --> 01:19:03,179
the little article that the sort of

2075
01:19:05,630 --> 01:19:04,739
companion article I did alongside this

2076
01:19:08,090 --> 01:19:05,640
interview

2077
01:19:10,189 --> 01:19:08,100
um and yeah so

2078
01:19:12,410 --> 01:19:10,199
let's bring up

2079
01:19:14,270 --> 01:19:12,420
let's start I mean

2080
01:19:18,110 --> 01:19:14,280
to everyone this is

2081
01:19:20,030 --> 01:19:18,120
gonna just look like a normal sky

2082
01:19:22,189 --> 01:19:20,040
and this is the first image that you

2083
01:19:24,830 --> 01:19:22,199
took isn't it I can't even see it yeah

2084
01:19:26,450 --> 01:19:24,840
it's just uh literally the raw image as

2085
01:19:27,470 --> 01:19:26,460
it came from the camera no editing

2086
01:19:29,750 --> 01:19:27,480
nothing

2087
01:19:31,250 --> 01:19:29,760
I mean that's again and yeah when you

2088
01:19:34,010 --> 01:19:31,260
zoom in it's not obviously not that

2089
01:19:35,930 --> 01:19:34,020
clear it's so under roaming I'm the

2090
01:19:39,649 --> 01:19:35,940
first the first two minutes it's

2091
01:19:41,450 --> 01:19:39,659
extremely underwhelming but uh the

2092
01:19:44,810 --> 01:19:41,460
context around it it's it's making the

2093
01:19:47,390 --> 01:19:44,820
image interesting and yes absolutely

2094
01:19:50,270 --> 01:19:47,400
yeah so this is the image this is the

2095
01:19:53,750 --> 01:19:50,280
the Spain image uh let me see this was

2096
01:19:55,490 --> 01:19:53,760
January 23rd 2010.

2097
01:19:58,970 --> 01:19:55,500
um I was still taking pictures with my

2098
01:20:01,070 --> 01:19:58,980
uh Nikon d200s which is uh almost a

2099
01:20:03,470 --> 01:20:01,080
potato in comparison with my present

2100
01:20:05,870 --> 01:20:03,480
equipment I just wished I had better

2101
01:20:08,810 --> 01:20:05,880
equipment back then but that's how it is

2102
01:20:11,810 --> 01:20:08,820
we were flying with a Boeing 737 from

2103
01:20:14,209 --> 01:20:11,820
Amsterdam to Malaga in the southern part

2104
01:20:17,270 --> 01:20:14,219
of Spain and uh as you can see it was

2105
01:20:19,010 --> 01:20:17,280
just after sunset uh the clouds you can

2106
01:20:20,689 --> 01:20:19,020
see actually on the on the formation of

2107
01:20:22,610 --> 01:20:20,699
the clouds it's all layered it's very

2108
01:20:24,229 --> 01:20:22,620
stable whether there's no thunderstorms

2109
01:20:26,750 --> 01:20:24,239
it's there's not a lot of vertical

2110
01:20:27,890 --> 01:20:26,760
activity in the sky there's no no no no

2111
01:20:30,410 --> 01:20:27,900
no

2112
01:20:32,209 --> 01:20:30,420
CBS or thunderstorms or cumulus clouds

2113
01:20:32,870 --> 01:20:32,219
you name it

2114
01:20:35,630 --> 01:20:32,880
um

2115
01:20:38,450 --> 01:20:35,640
we entered the Spanish airspace and the

2116
01:20:41,330 --> 01:20:38,460
moment we contacted Madrid Air Traffic

2117
01:20:44,330 --> 01:20:41,340
Control they control the upper airspace

2118
01:20:47,450 --> 01:20:44,340
in Spain uh the controller clears direct

2119
01:20:50,930 --> 01:20:47,460
to uh position Carisa which is just

2120
01:20:52,790 --> 01:20:50,940
North of Malaga so in other words uh we

2121
01:20:54,830 --> 01:20:52,800
were we were clear to leave the official

2122
01:20:57,050 --> 01:20:54,840
Airways and just continue in a direct

2123
01:20:59,390 --> 01:20:57,060
line to the airport of Malaga which

2124
01:21:01,910 --> 01:20:59,400
saves us time and Fuel and that makes

2125
01:21:03,649 --> 01:21:01,920
life much easier that was also because

2126
01:21:04,850 --> 01:21:03,659
we were the only airplane in the sky

2127
01:21:06,709 --> 01:21:04,860
more or less especially in those

2128
01:21:09,530 --> 01:21:06,719
altitudes because the airspace is

2129
01:21:11,510 --> 01:21:09,540
cleared as close sorry it's empty it

2130
01:21:13,910 --> 01:21:11,520
could clear US Direct to uh to one of

2131
01:21:17,270 --> 01:21:13,920
those points and everyone is happy

2132
01:21:19,430 --> 01:21:17,280
so it was still about 15 minutes of uh

2133
01:21:22,970 --> 01:21:19,440
flying left if I'm not mistaken 45 50

2134
01:21:25,370 --> 01:21:22,980
minutes and uh we were already about 10

2135
01:21:28,189 --> 01:21:25,380
minutes direct course to Malaga when my

2136
01:21:30,350 --> 01:21:28,199
colleague my captain ex and navy pilot

2137
01:21:32,810 --> 01:21:30,360
he suddenly asked me if I see the same

2138
01:21:35,930 --> 01:21:32,820
little thing in the sky so I'm I'm

2139
01:21:37,729 --> 01:21:35,940
starting to look outside and I saw this

2140
01:21:40,550 --> 01:21:37,739
little dark

2141
01:21:42,229 --> 01:21:40,560
objects as well and for about 10 minutes

2142
01:21:45,350 --> 01:21:42,239
we were really wondering what we were

2143
01:21:48,169 --> 01:21:45,360
seeing because uh we were flying at 41

2144
01:21:51,050 --> 01:21:48,179
000 feet which is uh even for commercial

2145
01:21:52,729 --> 01:21:51,060
traffic quite High

2146
01:21:54,830 --> 01:21:52,739
um there are so there is commercial

2147
01:21:58,430 --> 01:21:54,840
traffic that's flying higher than than

2148
01:22:01,610 --> 01:21:58,440
us mostly small business Jets like Gulf

2149
01:22:04,010 --> 01:22:01,620
streams and you name it but most

2150
01:22:06,590 --> 01:22:04,020
airliners most the most passenger

2151
01:22:08,450 --> 01:22:06,600
airliners they fly much lower and the

2152
01:22:11,030 --> 01:22:08,460
object we saw as you can see it's

2153
01:22:14,090 --> 01:22:11,040
clearly above the Horizon and it's uh

2154
01:22:15,590 --> 01:22:14,100
it's above us pretty far above us and

2155
01:22:17,689 --> 01:22:15,600
it's uh it's within the atmosphere

2156
01:22:20,750 --> 01:22:17,699
objects that are outside of the

2157
01:22:22,850 --> 01:22:20,760
atmosphere they will reflect lights so

2158
01:22:25,430 --> 01:22:22,860
let's say if you see another planet or

2159
01:22:26,930 --> 01:22:25,440
you see the ISS or starlink

2160
01:22:28,370 --> 01:22:26,940
um they only show up because they

2161
01:22:30,530 --> 01:22:28,380
reflect the light from either the moon

2162
01:22:32,570 --> 01:22:30,540
or the Sun so they show up as a bright

2163
01:22:34,850 --> 01:22:32,580
spot but if it's within our atmosphere

2164
01:22:36,830 --> 01:22:34,860
it will basically block the light so you

2165
01:22:38,870 --> 01:22:36,840
will see the shadow side of the objects

2166
01:22:40,430 --> 01:22:38,880
and this object objects as you can

2167
01:22:42,110 --> 01:22:40,440
clearly see it's within our atmosphere

2168
01:22:44,630 --> 01:22:42,120
because you see the shadow side of it

2169
01:22:46,610 --> 01:22:44,640
yeah and it had a really weird shape

2170
01:22:48,590 --> 01:22:46,620
this is also the shape as I would see it

2171
01:22:50,870 --> 01:22:48,600
with the naked eye mind you I normally I

2172
01:22:53,630 --> 01:22:50,880
wear glasses so maybe that's why it's a

2173
01:22:57,350 --> 01:22:53,640
bit blurry but uh this is this is the

2174
01:22:59,450 --> 01:22:57,360
exact shape as we saw with the naked eye

2175
01:23:01,189 --> 01:22:59,460
um so for almost 50 minutes we were

2176
01:23:04,250 --> 01:23:01,199
flying straight to Malaga and this

2177
01:23:07,550 --> 01:23:04,260
object was smack dead home

2178
01:23:10,729 --> 01:23:07,560
far ahead of us just directly in our in

2179
01:23:13,130 --> 01:23:10,739
our line of sights and it didn't move it

2180
01:23:15,050 --> 01:23:13,140
didn't move uh laterally left or right

2181
01:23:17,209 --> 01:23:15,060
of our track it didn't seem to move

2182
01:23:19,550 --> 01:23:17,219
towards us so far from it it didn't move

2183
01:23:22,130 --> 01:23:19,560
up and down it was completely and

2184
01:23:25,729 --> 01:23:22,140
absolutely stable

2185
01:23:28,790 --> 01:23:25,739
um and since we saw it exactly the same

2186
01:23:31,370 --> 01:23:28,800
size same shape and same position for

2187
01:23:34,490 --> 01:23:31,380
almost one hour straight from almost the

2188
01:23:37,610 --> 01:23:34,500
northern part of Spain to uh almost 20

2189
01:23:39,830 --> 01:23:37,620
000 feet in the descent into Malaga it

2190
01:23:41,330 --> 01:23:39,840
didn't change at all so either it was

2191
01:23:43,610 --> 01:23:41,340
pretty far ahead of us and it was just

2192
01:23:46,070 --> 01:23:43,620
moving at the same speed or it must have

2193
01:23:48,470 --> 01:23:46,080
been a massive object absolutely

2194
01:23:50,689 --> 01:23:48,480
massive really really really far ahead

2195
01:23:52,430 --> 01:23:50,699
of us right so we were just

2196
01:23:54,590 --> 01:23:52,440
contemplating about it and wondering and

2197
01:23:56,390 --> 01:23:54,600
I decided to ask the uh the Spanish

2198
01:23:58,310 --> 01:23:56,400
military sorry the Spanish air traffic

2199
01:24:00,470 --> 01:23:58,320
controller if there was any traffic

2200
01:24:02,930 --> 01:24:00,480
ahead of us because we've never seen

2201
01:24:06,290 --> 01:24:02,940
such a strain strange airplane before

2202
01:24:08,270 --> 01:24:06,300
and he immediately he told me that no we

2203
01:24:11,030 --> 01:24:08,280
were the only one as far as he knew in

2204
01:24:12,709 --> 01:24:11,040
the airspace 40 000 feet or above and he

2205
01:24:14,149 --> 01:24:12,719
was wondering what we saw so I explained

2206
01:24:16,250 --> 01:24:14,159
to him we see this object it's there

2207
01:24:18,649 --> 01:24:16,260
already for 10 minutes and uh seems to

2208
01:24:20,030 --> 01:24:18,659
be pretty big airplane ahead of us and

2209
01:24:22,910 --> 01:24:20,040
immediately and this was really

2210
01:24:25,010 --> 01:24:22,920
interesting he immediately uh asked me

2211
01:24:26,630 --> 01:24:25,020
to contact the military air traffic

2212
01:24:28,370 --> 01:24:26,640
controller the Spanish military air

2213
01:24:31,189 --> 01:24:28,380
traffic controller on a dedicated

2214
01:24:32,390 --> 01:24:31,199
frequency so my captain he took over the

2215
01:24:34,370 --> 01:24:32,400
radio just a normal air traffic

2216
01:24:35,990 --> 01:24:34,380
controller and I took the second feature

2217
01:24:38,030 --> 01:24:36,000
of radio and I got a dedicated frequency

2218
01:24:41,030 --> 01:24:38,040
and I started calling the military air

2219
01:24:43,189 --> 01:24:41,040
traffic controller and this guy was

2220
01:24:44,930 --> 01:24:43,199
absolutely interested in what we saw he

2221
01:24:48,229 --> 01:24:44,940
was not dismissing it he was he was not

2222
01:24:51,470 --> 01:24:48,239
telling me ah what you see is a swamp

2223
01:24:54,050 --> 01:24:51,480
gas or uh no he was he was absolutely

2224
01:24:57,649 --> 01:24:54,060
interested in what we saw so I explained

2225
01:25:00,470 --> 01:24:57,659
it to him and um he confirmed to me that

2226
01:25:01,990 --> 01:25:00,480
there was absolutely no civil or

2227
01:25:05,090 --> 01:25:02,000
military

2228
01:25:08,229 --> 01:25:05,100
traffic or objects in the sky no weather

2229
01:25:11,209 --> 01:25:08,239
balloons absolutely nothing and he was

2230
01:25:12,890 --> 01:25:11,219
he was really interested in what we saw

2231
01:25:14,870 --> 01:25:12,900
and

2232
01:25:16,430 --> 01:25:14,880
um yeah that I have no clue if they did

2233
01:25:18,350 --> 01:25:16,440
anything with it I never filed a report

2234
01:25:20,270 --> 01:25:18,360
I have no clue what I what I could do

2235
01:25:22,430 --> 01:25:20,280
should do with something like this but

2236
01:25:25,310 --> 01:25:22,440
what struck me is that we first of all

2237
01:25:28,430 --> 01:25:25,320
we saw it for over an hour it must have

2238
01:25:29,750 --> 01:25:28,440
been ahead of us uh I it didn't change

2239
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:29,760
any

2240
01:25:31,370 --> 01:25:30,010
um

2241
01:25:35,090 --> 01:25:31,380
[Music]

2242
01:25:36,590 --> 01:25:35,100
uh lateral vertical uh how do you say

2243
01:25:39,530 --> 01:25:36,600
this it did it it didn't change its

2244
01:25:41,990 --> 01:25:39,540
position from us at all and uh it must

2245
01:25:44,330 --> 01:25:42,000
have been within our atmosphere plus it

2246
01:25:45,830 --> 01:25:44,340
was confirmed to me by the military and

2247
01:25:48,830 --> 01:25:45,840
the civil air traffic controller there

2248
01:25:52,189 --> 01:25:48,840
was absolutely no traffic over Spain

2249
01:25:54,830 --> 01:25:52,199
so that leaves me wondering what it is

2250
01:25:56,450 --> 01:25:54,840
um I never took this picture uh very

2251
01:25:58,129 --> 01:25:56,460
serious I must say

2252
01:26:00,410 --> 01:25:58,139
um I have it in my database like all my

2253
01:26:02,090 --> 01:26:00,420
pictures and I I was thinking about it

2254
01:26:04,970 --> 01:26:02,100
every once in a while just hoping to get

2255
01:26:07,850 --> 01:26:04,980
a an explanation for maybe a military

2256
01:26:10,430 --> 01:26:07,860
test flight or anything funny

2257
01:26:11,450 --> 01:26:10,440
um up to the uh as I said before up to

2258
01:26:13,810 --> 01:26:11,460
the uh

2259
01:26:18,649 --> 01:26:13,820
interviews uh of a commander David

2260
01:26:19,970 --> 01:26:18,659
fraver and later on Mr Elizondo and I

2261
01:26:21,830 --> 01:26:19,980
realized that there might be more to

2262
01:26:23,149 --> 01:26:21,840
this picture than I initially thought

2263
01:26:25,310 --> 01:26:23,159
especially because air traffic

2264
01:26:26,689 --> 01:26:25,320
controller confirmed to us there was no

2265
01:26:29,149 --> 01:26:26,699
traffic

2266
01:26:32,270 --> 01:26:29,159
um long story shorts I've asked Mr

2267
01:26:34,729 --> 01:26:32,280
Antonio Cuisine from ipako to analyze

2268
01:26:36,850 --> 01:26:34,739
this image as well and as we speak the

2269
01:26:40,610 --> 01:26:36,860
image is being analyzed and now

2270
01:26:46,149 --> 01:26:40,620
analyzing also the clouds in the in the

2271
01:26:49,430 --> 01:26:46,159
foreground to try and get a distance

2272
01:26:52,209 --> 01:26:49,440
distance versus size measurement on the

2273
01:26:55,070 --> 01:26:52,219
objects uh it might take a while because

2274
01:26:56,570 --> 01:26:55,080
Mr cousin is very busy he's also working

2275
01:26:59,090 --> 01:26:56,580
for gaipan and they have a couple of

2276
01:27:00,470 --> 01:26:59,100
really big cases they're working on

2277
01:27:03,290 --> 01:27:00,480
um by the way he might be an interesting

2278
01:27:05,390 --> 01:27:03,300
guest for your uh show as well because

2279
01:27:07,250 --> 01:27:05,400
these guys are very down to earth and

2280
01:27:09,950 --> 01:27:07,260
they they make a living out of analyzing

2281
01:27:11,930 --> 01:27:09,960
these images professionally

2282
01:27:13,970 --> 01:27:11,940
um but yeah he's he's very interested in

2283
01:27:15,649 --> 01:27:13,980
this image and he's now uh processing it

2284
01:27:17,750 --> 01:27:15,659
and the moment the report comes out so I

2285
01:27:20,030 --> 01:27:17,760
will let you know and and yeah and see

2286
01:27:23,510 --> 01:27:20,040
what it is but yeah I have no clue what

2287
01:27:26,209 --> 01:27:23,520
it is and this one yeah I bought a an AI

2288
01:27:27,770 --> 01:27:26,219
uh image enhancer because uh sometimes I

2289
01:27:29,450 --> 01:27:27,780
have some really crappy pictures uh

2290
01:27:30,350 --> 01:27:29,460
taken with the potato that I want to

2291
01:27:32,330 --> 01:27:30,360
enhance

2292
01:27:36,110 --> 01:27:32,340
and I decided to

2293
01:27:38,450 --> 01:27:36,120
um to to basically let the AI do its

2294
01:27:40,250 --> 01:27:38,460
work on this object as well so this is

2295
01:27:42,850 --> 01:27:40,260
not the photo as it came out of the

2296
01:27:46,430 --> 01:27:42,860
camera this was just enhanced with a

2297
01:27:48,169 --> 01:27:46,440
digital image enhancer right I just let

2298
01:27:50,510 --> 01:27:48,179
it run its automatic algorithm and it

2299
01:27:52,790 --> 01:27:50,520
came up with this so

2300
01:27:55,250 --> 01:27:52,800
um this is an image enhancement done by

2301
01:27:58,790 --> 01:27:55,260
the computer based on AI and I'm not

2302
01:28:01,790 --> 01:27:58,800
sure if it's uh if it's uh uh showing

2303
01:28:05,270 --> 01:28:01,800
the actual object and I've shown this up

2304
01:28:07,790 --> 01:28:05,280
this uh AI file to Mr cuisine as well

2305
01:28:10,430 --> 01:28:07,800
and he was very interested in this uh in

2306
01:28:12,110 --> 01:28:10,440
this shape and size it looks like a

2307
01:28:14,330 --> 01:28:12,120
cigar shape

2308
01:28:16,370 --> 01:28:14,340
um with the rounded edges it's also what

2309
01:28:17,750 --> 01:28:16,380
we saw with the naked eye

2310
01:28:19,970 --> 01:28:17,760
um

2311
01:28:22,189 --> 01:28:19,980
it doesn't it doesn't look like a

2312
01:28:23,450 --> 01:28:22,199
contrail we would look uh sometimes when

2313
01:28:24,490 --> 01:28:23,460
there's an aircraft ahead of you you

2314
01:28:26,810 --> 01:28:24,500
look in the back of its control

2315
01:28:29,330 --> 01:28:26,820
especially if it's a heavy airplane like

2316
01:28:30,350 --> 01:28:29,340
a triple or a semaphore you see the

2317
01:28:33,890 --> 01:28:30,360
typical

2318
01:28:35,270 --> 01:28:33,900
um two circles dissipating slowly uh

2319
01:28:37,129 --> 01:28:35,280
well normally you see them for maybe two

2320
01:28:38,450 --> 01:28:37,139
or three minutes if you fly behind them

2321
01:28:40,910 --> 01:28:38,460
and then they dissipate or they

2322
01:28:43,129 --> 01:28:40,920
completely change because the cold

2323
01:28:45,890 --> 01:28:43,139
Trails constantly dissipate and grow

2324
01:28:47,930 --> 01:28:45,900
depending on the on the air density and

2325
01:28:49,669 --> 01:28:47,940
the tier density with the temperature

2326
01:28:52,970 --> 01:28:49,679
and the

2327
01:28:55,550 --> 01:28:52,980
um uh saturation of the air in this case

2328
01:28:58,189 --> 01:28:55,560
it was stable and it doesn't look at all

2329
01:29:00,530 --> 01:28:58,199
like uh like a culture we're looking at

2330
01:29:03,110 --> 01:29:00,540
so

2331
01:29:05,750 --> 01:29:03,120
yeah that's uh that's the mystery we

2332
01:29:07,490 --> 01:29:05,760
have uh we have to find a solution for

2333
01:29:10,430 --> 01:29:07,500
right now and I'm I'm really looking

2334
01:29:13,310 --> 01:29:10,440
forward to the final uh reports from uh

2335
01:29:14,870 --> 01:29:13,320
from ibako to see what they come up with

2336
01:29:16,729 --> 01:29:14,880
um I would love to to know what it is

2337
01:29:18,649 --> 01:29:16,739
maybe it's uh

2338
01:29:20,930 --> 01:29:18,659
something military could be it would be

2339
01:29:22,610 --> 01:29:20,940
interesting because uh

2340
01:29:24,649 --> 01:29:22,620
um even from an aeronautical perspective

2341
01:29:27,290 --> 01:29:24,659
it would be interesting to to to see

2342
01:29:29,030 --> 01:29:27,300
what kind of an airplane or or drone or

2343
01:29:30,950 --> 01:29:29,040
whatever it is might be it might be

2344
01:29:33,110 --> 01:29:30,960
flying around there at those altitudes

2345
01:29:35,770 --> 01:29:33,120
and maybe it's something else I don't

2346
01:29:38,270 --> 01:29:35,780
know it will be interesting to uh to see

2347
01:29:40,490 --> 01:29:38,280
absolutely and like you said it's just

2348
01:29:41,870 --> 01:29:40,500
amazing that you know you got in touch

2349
01:29:43,490 --> 01:29:41,880
with air traffic control immediately

2350
01:29:45,950 --> 01:29:43,500
onto military Air Traffic Control he

2351
01:29:48,649 --> 01:29:45,960
took it seriously and confirmed that

2352
01:29:51,110 --> 01:29:48,659
there was nothing military or civilian

2353
01:29:52,850 --> 01:29:51,120
in the airspace so like you said it

2354
01:29:54,530 --> 01:29:52,860
could be military and they could just be

2355
01:29:55,850 --> 01:29:54,540
testing something top secret and they

2356
01:29:58,070 --> 01:29:55,860
can't tell you that something there but

2357
01:30:00,590 --> 01:29:58,080
it's I mean that's that causes an air

2358
01:30:03,530 --> 01:30:00,600
safety question then doesn't it exactly

2359
01:30:05,030 --> 01:30:03,540
and uh well that's also uh good to keep

2360
01:30:07,370 --> 01:30:05,040
in mind that

2361
01:30:09,470 --> 01:30:07,380
um I think it's it would be so nice if

2362
01:30:10,910 --> 01:30:09,480
more pilots start coming out with these

2363
01:30:12,830 --> 01:30:10,920
kind of sightings because there's

2364
01:30:13,790 --> 01:30:12,840
clearly an air safety aspect to it as

2365
01:30:15,590 --> 01:30:13,800
well

2366
01:30:17,870 --> 01:30:15,600
um I hopefully I've been able to

2367
01:30:21,649 --> 01:30:17,880
demonstrate that I'm not out here to to

2368
01:30:23,209 --> 01:30:21,659
document the uh the unexpected or to uh

2369
01:30:25,129 --> 01:30:23,219
to make an interesting story out of

2370
01:30:26,930 --> 01:30:25,139
something mundane

2371
01:30:28,729 --> 01:30:26,940
um I take pictures from the Moon and

2372
01:30:30,169 --> 01:30:28,739
these clouds all the time and I think

2373
01:30:33,649 --> 01:30:30,179
with these kind of

2374
01:30:35,390 --> 01:30:33,659
um uh sightings it shows uh that it's

2375
01:30:36,590 --> 01:30:35,400
important to to to keep a look at for

2376
01:30:40,490 --> 01:30:36,600
all the things that are there and that

2377
01:30:43,490 --> 01:30:40,500
we even uh myself as a as a as a

2378
01:30:45,470 --> 01:30:43,500
professional as a 747 Captain uh trusted

2379
01:30:47,870 --> 01:30:45,480
with the safety of my airplane I cannot

2380
01:30:50,930 --> 01:30:47,880
explain and and I think it's very

2381
01:30:53,209 --> 01:30:50,940
important to to keep that aspect in mind

2382
01:30:55,189 --> 01:30:53,219
um in general I think Pilots most of the

2383
01:30:58,610 --> 01:30:55,199
pilots are trained observers we know

2384
01:31:00,169 --> 01:30:58,620
what we see we have spent a lot of time

2385
01:31:02,590 --> 01:31:00,179
and money on our training and our

2386
01:31:05,390 --> 01:31:02,600
selection of our of our people

2387
01:31:07,129 --> 01:31:05,400
to do their job in the air so and as I

2388
01:31:09,649 --> 01:31:07,139
said before the moment I see something

2389
01:31:11,570 --> 01:31:09,659
the first thing that comes to mind is

2390
01:31:13,430 --> 01:31:11,580
um is this going to be affecting the

2391
01:31:15,890 --> 01:31:13,440
safety of my airplane is it a weather

2392
01:31:18,229 --> 01:31:15,900
phenomena is it something military is it

2393
01:31:20,750 --> 01:31:18,239
other traffic is it maybe even a weather

2394
01:31:22,310 --> 01:31:20,760
balloon whatever it is I want to know

2395
01:31:23,870 --> 01:31:22,320
what it is so

2396
01:31:26,830 --> 01:31:23,880
um yeah I think that's the first step to

2397
01:31:29,030 --> 01:31:26,840
uh to to identifying the problem and

2398
01:31:31,129 --> 01:31:29,040
actually today on Twitter I don't know

2399
01:31:32,870 --> 01:31:31,139
who it was but someone suggested to

2400
01:31:35,570 --> 01:31:32,880
contact

2401
01:31:37,250 --> 01:31:35,580
UM knock up was it narca that was it and

2402
01:31:39,649 --> 01:31:37,260
honestly I never heard about it

2403
01:31:42,890 --> 01:31:39,659
organization before I looked it up just

2404
01:31:44,689 --> 01:31:42,900
after dinner tonight and a very valuable

2405
01:31:45,770 --> 01:31:44,699
suggestion I'm going to contact them as

2406
01:31:47,209 --> 01:31:45,780
well

2407
01:31:49,669 --> 01:31:47,219
um I'm probably going to contact them

2408
01:31:52,129 --> 01:31:49,679
and and see if they can analyze the the

2409
01:31:53,870 --> 01:31:52,139
photo over Spain as well

2410
01:31:55,970 --> 01:31:53,880
um because even though it's a very

2411
01:31:58,570 --> 01:31:55,980
underwhelming photo with the with the

2412
01:32:00,770 --> 01:31:58,580
rest of the the context around it

2413
01:32:03,129 --> 01:32:00,780
I think it makes for an interesting

2414
01:32:05,330 --> 01:32:03,139
analysis and

2415
01:32:08,149 --> 01:32:05,340
yeah you know actually I would also hope

2416
01:32:10,550 --> 01:32:08,159
that an organization like like narka

2417
01:32:12,290 --> 01:32:10,560
would be more known to to other Pilots

2418
01:32:14,090 --> 01:32:12,300
as well because

2419
01:32:16,250 --> 01:32:14,100
as I said a lot of my colleagues have

2420
01:32:19,189 --> 01:32:16,260
come forward privately with some really

2421
01:32:22,430 --> 01:32:19,199
interesting uh really really interesting

2422
01:32:25,010 --> 01:32:22,440
experiences and it would be nice if we

2423
01:32:29,270 --> 01:32:25,020
would be able even anonymously but even

2424
01:32:31,669 --> 01:32:29,280
be able to to have a have a place where

2425
01:32:34,070 --> 01:32:31,679
we can just report these things and and

2426
01:32:36,410 --> 01:32:34,080
make up a database maybe even though 99

2427
01:32:39,050 --> 01:32:36,420
of them are completely explainable and

2428
01:32:40,189 --> 01:32:39,060
mundane maybe that one percent will make

2429
01:32:41,870 --> 01:32:40,199
a difference

2430
01:32:44,209 --> 01:32:41,880
absolutely yeah

2431
01:32:45,770 --> 01:32:44,219
uh and by all means I'll uh you know

2432
01:32:48,350 --> 01:32:45,780
obviously we'll stay in touch and I have

2433
01:32:49,970 --> 01:32:48,360
possibly a few Avenues we can possibly

2434
01:32:51,050 --> 01:32:49,980
get extra analysis done on the

2435
01:32:52,970 --> 01:32:51,060
photograph because obviously the more

2436
01:32:54,770 --> 01:32:52,980
eyes on it and looking at it the better

2437
01:32:58,669 --> 01:32:54,780
for for an outcome really so we'll

2438
01:33:00,530 --> 01:32:58,679
discuss that oh yeah yeah

2439
01:33:03,169 --> 01:33:00,540
so yeah I mean that was an absolutely

2440
01:33:04,970 --> 01:33:03,179
fascinating looking at all of those

2441
01:33:07,610 --> 01:33:04,980
cases you know even the the obvious

2442
01:33:09,770 --> 01:33:07,620
prosaic ones because it does just show

2443
01:33:12,110 --> 01:33:09,780
what's out there and and it but it also

2444
01:33:14,629 --> 01:33:12,120
shows your discernment and the the

2445
01:33:16,070 --> 01:33:14,639
detail that the the you require of

2446
01:33:18,169 --> 01:33:16,080
yourself and the way you look at things

2447
01:33:20,030 --> 01:33:18,179
I think it's really important and I hope

2448
01:33:21,169 --> 01:33:20,040
well I can see it from a lot of the

2449
01:33:22,850 --> 01:33:21,179
comments I've been reading that people

2450
01:33:24,169 --> 01:33:22,860
have been really interested in in

2451
01:33:25,850 --> 01:33:24,179
everything that you've shown here today

2452
01:33:28,010 --> 01:33:25,860
so so I can't thank you enough for

2453
01:33:29,870 --> 01:33:28,020
coming forward it really does mean a lot

2454
01:33:31,790 --> 01:33:29,880
yeah well that's that's wonderful to

2455
01:33:33,890 --> 01:33:31,800
hear and uh

2456
01:33:36,890 --> 01:33:33,900
um yeah I I hopefully I've been able to

2457
01:33:38,450 --> 01:33:36,900
to balance out the uh uh the story

2458
01:33:40,189 --> 01:33:38,460
because

2459
01:33:42,169 --> 01:33:40,199
um it's easy to to jump to conclusions

2460
01:33:44,149 --> 01:33:42,179
and say ah this this pilot just took a

2461
01:33:47,030 --> 01:33:44,159
blurry picture and he's saying it's uh

2462
01:33:49,010 --> 01:33:47,040
it's something uh special now I I I I

2463
01:33:51,770 --> 01:33:49,020
know what I'm seeing

2464
01:33:53,990 --> 01:33:51,780
um and I think I can identify 99 of the

2465
01:33:55,189 --> 01:33:54,000
interesting stuff we see uh but it's

2466
01:33:58,550 --> 01:33:55,199
it's it's good to have an open

2467
01:34:00,830 --> 01:33:58,560
discussion about it and to uh uh let's

2468
01:34:03,110 --> 01:34:00,840
see where the whether where the chips

2469
01:34:05,570 --> 01:34:03,120
may fall and you know even even if it's

2470
01:34:07,729 --> 01:34:05,580
just a new anomalous uh weather

2471
01:34:09,830 --> 01:34:07,739
phenomena we would discover maybe ball

2472
01:34:11,450 --> 01:34:09,840
lightning or vertical lightning and

2473
01:34:13,310 --> 01:34:11,460
clear skies even though

2474
01:34:15,669 --> 01:34:13,320
it doesn't make sense to me right now

2475
01:34:18,290 --> 01:34:15,679
but uh

2476
01:34:19,910 --> 01:34:18,300
neither do uaps I mean there's there's

2477
01:34:22,250 --> 01:34:19,920
something going on that I cannot explain

2478
01:34:25,370 --> 01:34:22,260
and if we can get some explanation for

2479
01:34:28,610 --> 01:34:25,380
it the better so uh yeah absolutely

2480
01:34:29,930 --> 01:34:28,620
absolutely well I guess that we'll have

2481
01:34:31,550 --> 01:34:29,940
to leave it there good hour and a half

2482
01:34:34,129 --> 01:34:31,560
thank you everyone for the for the

2483
01:34:36,530 --> 01:34:34,139
wonderful questions the donations and uh

2484
01:34:39,070 --> 01:34:36,540
just taking the time out of your day to

2485
01:34:41,209 --> 01:34:39,080
be here as always I really appreciate it

2486
01:34:44,330 --> 01:34:41,219
so yeah

2487
01:34:45,950 --> 01:34:44,340
um for anybody that may be new here uh

2488
01:34:47,390 --> 01:34:45,960
go and follow all of Christian stuff

2489
01:34:49,430 --> 01:34:47,400
that is in the description below but

2490
01:34:50,930 --> 01:34:49,440
also check out mine my links are all in

2491
01:34:52,970 --> 01:34:50,940
the description below

2492
01:34:55,669 --> 01:34:52,980
um I really appreciate anybody uh yeah

2493
01:34:58,250 --> 01:34:55,679
and please by all means DM me if you're

2494
01:34:59,810 --> 01:34:58,260
a pilot if you know a pilot or anyone in

2495
01:35:01,250 --> 01:34:59,820
the military or anybody that has

2496
01:35:03,770 --> 01:35:01,260
anything they want me to look at I will

2497
01:35:05,990 --> 01:35:03,780
always do my best to check it out but

2498
01:35:09,229 --> 01:35:06,000
for now guys yeah I think I'll do it